* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. . OKAY. [00:00:01] OKAY. IT'S, UM, [1. CALL TO ORDER] APRIL 6TH, AND THIS IS THE, UH, MONTHLY MEETING OF THE LIVERMORE AIRPORT COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING. UH, GONNA RUN DOWN THE AGENDA ITEMS HERE. NUMBER ONE, CALL TO ORDER AND, UH, TAKE IT AWAY. BENNY'S. LET'S SEE WHO'S HERE. COMMISSIONER BERG? HERE. COMMISSIONER LEVI? HERE. COMMISSIONER . ABSENT. VICE TR, VICE CHAIR DOBROSKY. HERE. CHAIR. BISHOP HERE. OKAY. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH TO PROCEED. UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO, ALL STAND I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE. JUSTICE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE, OPEN FORUM IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. NO AIRPORT COMMISSION ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING OPEN FORUM. TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, WALK TO THE LECTERN AND ADDRESS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION COMM COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. PER ITEM. THE CHAIR MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK. OPEN FORM WILL CONCLUDE AFTER 30 MINUTES. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, OPEN FORM WILL RECONVENE AFTER MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. DO WE HAVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT OPEN FORUM? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I SEE NO, UH, SPEAKERS. SO WE'LL [4. CONSENT CALENDAR ] MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, CONSENT CALENDAR. CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE INTERACT UPON BY THE AIRPORT COMMISSION WITH A SINGLE ACTION. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT MUST SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD ITEM 4.1, APPROVAL OF AIRPORT COMMISSION. DRAFT MINUTES FOR MARCH 2ND, 2026. UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION APPROVE THE DRAFT MINUTES. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. ONE SECOND. BOY, YOU GUYS ARE GETTING GOOD. I GOT, WE GOT OUR OWN MIC. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, WELL, I MEAN, SOMEBODY MADE A MOTION. I, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO. UH, LET'S HAVE A VOTE ON, UH, THE, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHOENBERGER. AYE. COMMISSIONER LEVI? AYE. COMMISSIONER FARLEY'S, ABSENCE VICE-CHAIR DOMBROWSKI. AYE. CHAIR BISHOP. AYE. GOOD THING DAVID'S MISSING. GIVES US A TIME TO SWITCH THE MIC OVER. OKAY. UM, MOVING [5. MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION ] ON TO ITEM FIVE MATTERS FOR CONSIDERA CONSIDERATION. PARDON ME. UH, 5.1 REVIEW OF AIRPORT AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ACTIVITY AND NOISE CONCERNS FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, 2026. RECOMMENDATIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION RECEIVE INFORMATION ON AIRPORT OPERATIONS ACTIVITY AND NOISE CONCERNS FOR THE MONTH OF 2026. SO, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BENNY FOR THAT PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. CHAIR OR PAULA? WHOEVER'S? NO, I'M GIVING THANK YOU CHAIR BISHOP. WE'RE GOING OVER THE MONTHLY STATISTICS, UH, FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, 2026. OUR AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE AT 11,182 FOR A 24% DECLINE. MULE SALES ARE AT 99,002 GALLONS FOR 3%. DECLINE BASED AIRCRAFT ARE AT 465, AND THE NOISE REPORTS HAVE DROPPED DOWN TO 251, WHICH IS A 40% DECLINE FOR THE FAA AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS FOR FEBRUARY, 2026. THE CURRENT MONTH INSTRUMENT IFR IS AT 1,529 AIR TAXI 705 ITINERANT GENERAL 307 OR 3,708 ITINERANT MILITARY 14. AND LOCAL GENERAL IS 6,755. FOR THE FUELS REPORT, SELF-SERVE 100 LOW LEAD, EXCUSE ME. THIS SET AT 4,857 GALLONS 100 LOW LEAD AT THE OUT OF THE TRUCK IS AT 12,189 GALLONS. UL 94 IS 186 GALLONS, AND JET A IS AT 81,770. SO WE NOTED THAT THE DECLINE IN FUEL SALES ARE ALL ATTRIBUTED TO 100. LOW AT OR UL 94, JET A ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 1%. TOTAL [00:05:01] BASED AIRCRAFT FOR THIS MONTH IS, AGAIN, AT 465, DOWN FROM FOUR 70 THE MONTH PRIOR. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONCERNS VERSUS OPERATIONS, WE HAD A TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS OF 11,182. TOTAL NUMBER OF CONCERNS ARE 251. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONCERNS REPRESENTS 2% OF THE TOTAL OPERATIONS AT LIVERMORE REPORT. AND THIS CONCLUDES THE REPORTS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, COMMISSION? UH, I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. THE, THE, UH, THE OPERATIONS WERE SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN, LOOK LIKE FEBRUARY VERSUS JANUARY. IS THERE BASIC REASON BEHIND THAT? WEATHER, I'M GUESSING, BUT, UH, THERE'S THAT AND THE, WE HAD THE TFR AND ALL THE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS AROUND THE AIRPORT FOR . OH YEAH. WHICH EXTENDED FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. SO THAT DEFINITELY, UH, IMPACTED, UH, GENERAL AVIATION, WHICH IS WHY JET OPERATIONS WERE UP FOR THAT MONTH AND GA WAS DOWN. YOU WERE PREPARED FOR THAT. BENNY. I LIKE THAT ON THE SPOT. . ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM, UH, YOU GUYS AT ALL? OR? OH, WE HAVE A SPEAKER CARD. I WAS, I WAS ANXIOUSLY AWAITING THIS MOMENT. WE'LL MAKE IT, WE'LL MAKE IT OFFICIAL. HEY, THANKS. THANKS. ALRIGHT. PERHAM, YOU, YOU CAN GO FOR IT THERE. I, UH, I, I, I PUT A LITTLE HANDOUT TOGETHER. 'CAUSE I THINK I'M REALLY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE REALLY MAKE IT EFFECTIVE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER LEVINE'S QUESTION WAS EXACTLY THE QUESTION I WAS HOPING WOULD GET ASKED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS CALL THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEE A MINUS 25% DROP, THE IMMEDIATE THING IS, OH MY GOD, WHAT'S HAPPENING? WELL, IT TURNS OUT MOST TIMES IT'S SEASONAL. UH, IT COULD BE OTHER THINGS AS WELL. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE IF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TEMPERATURE WENT UP 10 DEGREES IN MARCH. OH MY GOD, WE GOT GLOBAL WARMING. NO, IT WENT UP 10 DEGREES LAST, LAST YEAR. SAME TIME. RIGHT? NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE FIRST PAGE OF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE EXISTING OPERATIONS, IT IS PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHETHER IS THIS GOOD, BAD, OR OKAY. AND THERE'S NO TREND DATA. UM, THERE'S NO DATA COMPARING IT TO THE PREVIOUS YEAR, THE SAME MONTH. AND WE KNOW THAT OPERATIONS ARE VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, MONTH DEPENDENT AND SO ON TO SEE WHETHER THERE'S A PROBLEM, WHETHER IT BE, AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PAGE, THIS IS WHAT THE LIVERMORE AIRPORT USED TO GIVE YOU USED TO GET COMPARING AGAINST THE PREVIOUS MONTH, THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE NOT JUST YOU, BUT YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, THE, THE, THE, THE EMPLOY THE PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING, RIGHT? IS THE TREND UPWARD? IS IT DOWNWARD? DO WE GOT A MAJOR PROBLEM? I THINK WITH ONLY PROVIDING ONE MONTH, IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY USEFUL. YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SAY, DO I HAVE A CHA AN ISSUE WITH THE AIRPORT, WITH AIRPORT OPERATIONS? DO I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FUEL? DO I GOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING? IN FACT, I CAN'T EVEN TELL RIGHT NOW. WHAT ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS IN THE AIRPORT OVER THE LAST YEAR? AND WHAT, AND HOW ARE WE DOING IN TERMS OF PROJECTIONS GOING FORWARD? AND THAT COULD, THAT'S ALSO THE SAME THING THAT IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE THREE, WHERE THE AIRPORT ACTIVITY, THE 2026 IS JUST THE CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH, IT'S NOT VERY USEFUL BECAUSE IT, IT DOES NOT GIVE TREND DATA OR HOW IT COMPARED TO THE MONTH, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO. SO ON PAGE FOUR, 2022, THIS REPORT'S REALLY EASY. YOU CAN SAY, OH, WE WENT DOWN 25%, BUT OH, IT WENT DOWN 25% A YEAR AGO. OKAY, CHECK, NOTHING'S, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED. OR IT COULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. FUELS DID GO DOWN QUITE A BIT. WELL, THAT'S PROMPTS A QUESTION. OTHERWISE, THE VALUE THAT I THINK COMMISSIONERS AND ANYONE ELSE IS VERY, VERY LITTLE. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER AND, AND THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT COME BACK TO THIS, THIS REPORT WE HAD IN 2022 GAVE YOU THE DATA. IT GAVE THE PUBLIC THE DATA, RIGHT? I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO THE PUBLIC HAVING TO GO THROUGH 12 REPORTS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HECK IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING AT THE AIRPORT. AND I THINK IT'S WHAT CITY COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY WANT AS WELL, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONE KEY POINT. I REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER IT. OTHERWISE, THE VALUE YOU EVEN READING IT IS SMALL, RIGHT? YOU JUST READ IT AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT. SO THAT'S ONE THING. UH, THE SECOND COMMENT I HAD WAS AROUND THE NOISE, NOISE CONCERN AND THE REPORTS THERE, THERE'S ONE PAGE RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A LINK TO ALL THE DETAILED REPORTS, GREAT DETAILED REPORTS. IT GIVES THE DAY BY DAY OF WHAT'S HAPPENED FOR, UH, NOISE COMPLAINTS, NIGHT OPERATIONS AND SO ON. BUT AS I LOOK AT THAT, I GO, SO, OKAY, SO WHAT DO I DO ABOUT IT? OR WHAT DOES IT TELL ME? WELL, IT TELLS ME ON SOME DAYS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME CORRELATION BETWEEN SOME ACTIVITIES OR NOT, OR IT'S LOUDER OR WHATEVER IT IS. OR PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING MORE, WHATEVER IT IS. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT'S REALLY USEFUL. IS, IS THIS GOOD OR IS THIS BAD? IS IT GETTING WORSE? IS IT GETTING BETTER? RIGHT? WHETHER IT BE NOISE COMPLAINTS, WHETHER IT BE NIGHT OPERATIONS. ARE [00:10:01] THERE MORE NIGHT OPERATIONS THAN THE YEAR, MONTH BEFORE? DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? DON'T, AND YOU NEED IT REALLY FOR A ROLLING PERIOD IN COMPARE AGAINST THE PREVIOUS MONTH LAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE THIS SEASONALITY. SO WITHOUT THIS, I MEAN, IT'S GREAT TO KNOW THAT ON THE 28TH WE HAD NINE NIGHT OPERATIONS. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT'S NINE A GOOD NUMBER OR BAD? MAYBE IT'S A GREAT NUMBER BECAUSE IT USED TO BE 20, BUT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW. SO WITHOUT THAT, THEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AND THE, AND, AND EVERYONE HERE CAN REALLY MAKE IMPACTFUL CHANGE OR ACTUALLY CELEBRATE SUCCESS, RIGHT? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT'S DOING A LOT OF THINGS ON IN TERMS OF NIGHT OPERATIONS, SENDING LETTERS, THE NOISE REPORT NOISE, YOU KNOW, HELPING, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH NOISE AND, AND GUIDING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AVIATION COMMUNITY. BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY TO TELL ANYTHING. IS IT GOOD OR IS IT BAD? IS IT GETTING BETTER? ARE THERE ACTIONS WE WANT TO TAKE? SO THAT'S THE SECOND THING. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ON ALMOST ALL THESE DETAILED DAY BY DAY, I THINK ON THE NEXT ONE IT GOES NUMBER OF CONCERNS PER MONTH. WE HAVE JANUARY WE HAVE GOING DOWN, BUT IT'S MEANINGLESS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER OR NOT. 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S ALSO SEASONAL EVERY MONTH IT CHANGES, BUT THERE ARE TRENDS DEPENDING ON AIR PATTERNS THAT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE WINTER VERSUS THE SUMMER. SO AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME THING. I THINK YOU GET A LOT MORE VALUE IF YOU COULD MAKE, THE DETAILS ARE KIND OF GREAT, BUT AT LEAST THE TREND FOR THAT ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD WILL MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR ANY OF US TO GO, OH, IT'S SUDDENLY SPIKED UP COMPARED TO LAST MONTH. OR ARE WE ON AN UPWARD TREND OVERALL? RIGHT? SO THAT'S, I WOULD REALLY ASK THE, THE COMMISSION AND, AND THE AIRPORT MANAGEMENT STRONGLY CONSIDER IT. OTHERWISE, I, I'M WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE REPORTS ARE KIND OF INTEREST, LIKE THEY'RE THERE, BUT IT, IT'S NOT REALLY TELLING THE STORY, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT THE OPERATIONS ARE AT THE AIRPORT. ARE THEY GOING UP, DOWN, ARE, IS THE TREND OF NOISE COMPLAINTS OR THE TRENDS OF NIGHT OPERATIONS GOING UP, DOWN? YOU JUST CAN'T TELL. NONE OF YOU COULD TELL ME UNLESS YOU WENT BACK IN HISTORY AND LOOKED AT EACH ONE. RIGHT? SO THAT, I'D LIKE YOU TO STRONGLY EN ENCOURAGE YOU LOOKING AT THAT. UH, I THINK IT IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT, UM, FOR ALL ALSO ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION AND THE, AND THE AIRPORT'S DOING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANKS. IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM THE COMMISSIONS AT ALL? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. UM, UH, LET'S SEE. I THINK WE HAVE TO VOTE ON WHETHER WE ACCEPT THE REPORT OR NOT, IF I REMEMBER. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ITEM 5.2, UPDATED HANGAR INSPECTION GUIDELINES AND HANGAR INSPECTION CHECKLISTS. UM, REC STAFF RECOMMENDS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION RECEIVE THE UPDATE, UH, INSPECTION GUIDELINES AND CHECKLIST. SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO BENNY. TAKE IT AWAY. BENNY PART OF IT. THANK YOU CHAIR BISHOP. I'M ACTUALLY GONNA PASS THIS OFF OVER TO, UH, PAULA, OUR ASSISTANT AIRPORT MANAGER IN A SECOND. THIS ITEM IS ABOUT THE UPDATED HANGAR INSPECTION GUIDELINES AND THE HANGAR INSPECTION CHECKLIST FOR A LIVERMORE AIRPORT. WHAT'S PRECIPITATING THIS IS WE ARE BRINGING ON SOME PROPERTY, UH, UM, ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE THAT'LL ALLOW US TO CREATE SOME EFFICIENCIES WITHIN THE OFFICE AND MANAGING THE VARIOUS, UH, LEASES THAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT. UM, THE, THE AIRPORT HOLDS PROBABLY ABOUT 95% OF ALL THE LEASES FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. UM, AND IT'S MANAGED BY A STAFF, UM, A LOT LESS. UM, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING. PART OF THAT IS ALSO GONNA BE OUR UPCOMING HANGAR, UH, INSPECTIONS. AND TIED TO THAT IS TAKING A LOOK AT OUR PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAD PRIOR TO THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT THESE NEW CHECKLISTS, UH, AND FORMS CORRELATES WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL HAND THIS OFF TO PAULA. IF YOU NOTICE, IF YOU NOTICE IN YOUR ATTACHMENTS, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE CURRENT GUIDELINES AND CHECKLISTS THAT WE HAVE. UH, WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT OTHER AIRPORTS TO SEE WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY DOING WITH THEIR HANGAR INSPECTION, UH, INSPECTION GUIDELINES AND CHECKLISTS, AND DID WE NEED TO UPGRADE OURS AS WELL? UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NOTICED IS THAT WE WERE NEEDING TO INCREASE OUR EFFICIENCY AND OUR DATA TRACKING. UH, SO ON THE HANGAR INSPECTION, UM, CHECKLIST, YOU'LL SEE THE ADDITION OF THE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, THE GENERAL MAINTENANCE SECTION, AS WELL AS THE AIRCRAFT INVENTORY. UH, WE UPGRADED [00:15:01] THE, UM, THE VIOLATIONS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ACTUALLY CORRELATE WITH THE INSPECTION GUIDELINES THAT WAS POSTED ON THE WEBPAGE. THERE WERE A COUPLE THAT WERE, HAD BEEN ON THE ORIGINAL CHECKLIST, BUT WEREN'T IN THE GUIDELINES. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE CREATED, UM, A CONSISTENT DOCUMENT. UH, WE CALLED OUT THREE EXTRA ITEMS THAT WERE PRETTY MUCH STANDARD, ONE BEING THE, UM, RESTRICTION OF FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION IN THE HANGAR. NO RELOAD, RELOAD BASE. UM, IF THE VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE IN THE HANGAR, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED AND, YOU KNOW, REGISTERED INSURED. UH, WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UM, VEHICLES ON THE AIRPORT THAT AREN'T IN THAT CONDITION. UH, WE ALSO, UH, FOR FIRE PURPOSES, WE ASKED FOR, UM, WE ADDED ON THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE, UM, PLACARDS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS FOR GAS IF THERE'S GAS, PROPANE, OR OXYGEN INSIDE. UM, AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE HANGAR CHECKLIST, UH, IT'S PRETTY STREAMLINED, UH, MAKING IT REALLY EFFICIENT. SO AS WE GO AND DO INSPECTIONS, YOU JUST START AT THE TOP, GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. IT GIVES US A LOT OF THE, UM, THE INFORMATION WE NEED FOR BOTH OPERATION WISE AS WELL AS, UM, UH, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU GUYS GOOD? YEAH. JUST ASIDE FROM ADDING THE THREE NEW ITEMS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST UPDATED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE AS WELL. YEP. WHAT WE FOUND WAS THE, THE ORIGINAL CHECKLIST DID NOT HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE AS THE GUIDELINES. SO MOVING FORWARD, WE WANTED TO INCREASE THE CONSISTENCY IN ALL OF THIS. SO THE HANGAR GUIDELINES IS EXACTLY THE WORDAGE YOU'LL SEE IN THE, UM, THE VIOLATION, UM, IN THE TOP PORTION OF THE VIOLATIONS. OKAY. I THINK I'VE HAD A HANGAR LONG ENOUGH THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH ONE INSPECTION. I NEVER SAW THIS FORM, SO I'M ASSUMING IT WAS FILLED OUT FOR MY HANGAR AND I GUESS I PASSED. SO FOR, SO YOU ONLY SEE THAT THERE'S A VIOLATION. AND FOR THE MOST PART, WE HAVE EXCELLENT TENANTS. THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT HAVE VIOLATIONS. AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT AND ARE CON, UM, IN WHAT WE'RE DOING, UM, AND THAT WE HAVE SAFE TENANTS. YEP. UH, ANOTHER POINT TO THAT, UM, THAT YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN GOING TOWARDS IS THESE INSPECTIONS NOT ONLY ALLOW THE AIRPORT TO IDENTIFY EARLIER ON ANY TYPE OF VIOLATIONS OR COMPLIANCE ISSUES, IT ALSO ALLOWS STAFF TO IDENTIFY MAINTENANCE ISSUES WITH THOSE HANGERS. UH, BECAUSE WE FIND A LOT OF TIMES, UM, SOME TENANTS MAY NOT REPORT WHAT THOSE MAINTENANCE ISSUES ARE. THEN WHEN THEY DECIDE TO GIVE UP THEIR HANGAR AND WE GO IN TO GET IT READY, I KNOW IT COULD TAKE US WEEKS TO GET A HANGAR READY, VERSUS IF WE KNEW ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE AND GOTTEN ONTO MAINTENANCE, SEEING THEM QUICKER WHILE TENANTS ARE TENANTS, THEN WE CAN TURN AROUND THESE HANGERS MUCH FASTER. SO THIS IS ALL INTEGRAL TO THAT. AND YES, IF YOU DID NOT HEAR FROM THE AIRPORT, IT MEANS YOU PASSED. UH, I HAVE A COUPLE, COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO LIKE, I CAN USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M VERY GOOD AT USING THE, UH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TOO. IT'S MOST ADVANTAGEOUS USE. UH, I'VE GOT KIDS THAT DIRT BIKES UNDER THE WINGS OF MY AIRPLANE. UH, DIRT BIKES ARE OHV VEHICLES AND ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO STREET LICENSE AND INSURED. UM, ALSO, UH, SOME, UH, OF WHAT ONE OR MORE MOTORCYCLES ARE NON OFF, UH, ALSO, SO THEY'RE NOT INSURED, THEY'RE JUST DID NOT RIGHT NOW. BUT, UM, AND THEN, UH, ALSO CORDS PLUGGED IN. YOU KNOW, I SUPPOSED TO HAVE EXTENSION CORDS PLUGGED IN. WHAT ABOUT BATTERY MAINTAINERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? YOUR TRICKLE CHARGERS. TRICKLE CHARGERS. YEAH, EXACTLY. SO THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, AND, UH, OH, AND IF, AND IF PEOPLE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE HISTORICAL, BUT IF PEOPLE, DO YOU GUYS PROVIDE THE, UH, THE LITTLE TRIANGLE STICKERS OR, I MEAN, NOT TRIANGLES, BUT THE BLUE CARTS, THE SAFETY COLLECT CARDS? YEAH. OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING YOU GO TO THE FRYER OR, OR YOU ORDER, YOU CAN ORDER 'EM LINE OR SOMETHING. MM-HMM . YOU CAN ORDER 'EM ONLINE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT NOW. SO THE TRICKLE CHARGERS ARE STANDARD, PRETTY MUCH EVERY PILOT HAS ONE IN HIS HAND. UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME THEY HAVE IT HOOKED UP. NOT A PROBLEM. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE VEHICLES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO NOT IMPEDE ALL MY AIRCRAFT CAN ROLL RIGHT OUT AND THEN GO, THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF HAVING SUBSTANCE AND, UH, THE, YOU WANNA TACKLE THAT ONE? HM. NO. ? NO, I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING I HAVEN'T DONE FOR, SINCE I'VE MOVED IN [00:20:01] OVER HERE. ERK CAME IN AND ALSO, OH, ALSO THE, UM, THE, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE HANGERS, LIKE LIGHTING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE HANGERS I, I HAVE HAS ACTUALLY GOT ITS OWN PA UH, BREAKER AND PANEL AND IT'S, THAT WAS ALL DONE WITH THE PERMIT. GOOD. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THAT PERMIT IS ANYMORE. , IT'LL BE ON FILE WITH THE CITY. OKAY. AND, UH, I THINK THE OTHER HANGAR, I, I INHERITED THAT FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S GOT LIGHTS ALL IN IT. AND I KNOW, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY GOT THERE. AND UH, THEN I ALSO HAVE A LOFT IN THERE THAT'S BEEN THERE. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE HANGAR WHICH WAY CRASH THAT. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING FOR, FOR THOSE NOW. YES. WE, SO I'M, I'M WONDERING WHAT, IS THERE SOME SORT OF GRANDFATHERING THING GOING ON HERE OR HOW DOES THIS ALL WORK? SO AS, AS THE AIRPORT BEGINS TO RECEIVE THESE HANGERS BACK INTO OUR POSSESSION PRIOR TO TURNING THEM AROUND IT, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE AIRPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE READY. SO IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE HANGAR, UM, IN THE PAST THAT, THAT TENANTS HAVE INHERITED, WHICH IS VERY COMMON, UM, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE TAKING THE, THE STEPS TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED. OH, YEAH. YEAH. YOU GET, BECAUSE SOMEBODY RENTS SOME HANGERS PRESENTED WITH A, SO THIS, THIS OTHER PORTION ABOUT GETTING PERMITS TO INSTALL ALL FOR A TENANT WHO APPROACHES THE AIRPORT AND SAYS, I WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL INSERT ITEM HERE, UM, BEFORE THEY MOVE OUT, THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OBTAINING THE ROOF PERMITS TO REMOVE AS WELL. UH, BECAUSE WE'RE NO LONGER ACCEPTING THESE ITEMS, UH, BACK TO THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THEY'RE OFTENTIMES WHERE PEOPLE WILL LEAVE THE HANGAR AND THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT CERTAIN THINGS THERE LIGHTS IS USUALLY NOT A PROBLEM. EVERYBODY ACCEPTS THE LIGHTS BACK, THAT'S FINE. UH, BUT FOR LIKE THE LAW OFFICER OR OTHER PORTIONS THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE STRUCTURE, SOMETIMES A NEW TENANT WILL COME IN AND SAY THEY DO NOT WANT IT, AND THEN SUDDENLY IT'S BACK ON THE AIRPORTS TO PAY TO HAVE THOSE THINGS REMOVED. SO WE ARE STARTING TO TACKLE THOSE ISSUES, UM, AS THEY COME UP TELL, THERE'S SOME COORDINATION BETWEEN THE PREVIOUS TENANT AND THE NEW TENANT THAT LIKE, LIKE ONE OF MY HANGERS, I'VE GOT MORE ELECTRICAL PLUGS AND THERE'S RIGHT. SO A, A NEW TENANT CAN ACCEPT IMPROVEMENTS MADE BY AN OLD TENANT AND DECIDE THAT THEY'RE, UH, GOING TO KEEP THEM THERE. I SEE. SO THERE IS A PROCESS PROVIDED THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAD BEEN PERMITTED. NOT THAT I'M PLANNING ON LEAVING ANYTIME SOON, BUT RIGHT. ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL JUST WAIT FOR PHONE CALLS FROM YOU GUYS AND WE'LL WORK IT OUT. , I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IN THE PAST. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU GUYS? SO WHEN, UH, SO, UH, DO YOU NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE OR ANYTHING THAT THESE ARE YOU GUYS, WHEN DO YOU GUYS GET STARTED? WE ARE, WE WANTED TO BRING THEM HERE TONIGHT, UM, TO REVIEW THEM WITH YOU, RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, ANY QUESTION, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UH, BEFORE WE ROLLED OUT AND PUT IT INTO THE, UM, INTO PLAY. SO THIS WILL START GOING OUT. I'M ON VACATION STARTING TOMORROW. NICE. AND I DON'T COME BACK UNTIL THE 15TH, SO NO HANGAR INSPECTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE 15TH. SO WE'LL TELL 15TH OUR ACT. AND TYPICALLY, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE HANGAR INSPECTION CHECKLIST, FOR THE MOST PART, THE HANGERS ARE USED FOR AVIATION PURPOSES. UM, AND SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS MAKING SURE THAT THE PLANE CAN MOVE IN AND OUT, CAN EASILY, UM, THAT THE, WE'VE ALL SEEN IT, THE MOTHER-IN-LAW'S, FURNITURE, THE DECEASED MOTHER'S FURNITURE, SOLAR PANELS, WE'VE ALL SEEN IT. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MITIGATE SOME OF THAT. UH, IS THERE SOME SORT OF AN FA DOCUMENT THAT, UH, THAT AVAILABLE TO AIRPORTS TO, UH, COME UP WITH THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW UNDER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AN AIRPORT THAT TAKES, UH, FEDERAL MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IS THERE, UH, IS THERE FA GUIDELINES OR DOCUMENTATION THAT HELPS YOU GUYS, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT TO ALLOW LANGUAGE AND ALL THAT? BASICALLY FA STATES, AS LONG AS YOU CAN GET YOUR HANGER, UH, YOU CAN GET THE HANGAR DOORS OPEN THE PLANE OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO UNLOAD THREE QUARTERS OF YOUR HANGAR FIRST. UM, AND YOU CAN MOVE IT BACK WITHOUT RELOADING THREE QUARTERS OF THE HANGAR BACK. UM, THAT IS CORRECT. YES. THEIR LEVEL, THE FA A DOES HAVE A HANGAR USE POLICY AND THEY HAVE A PROGRAM GUIDANCE LETTER AS WELL ONTO, UH, FOR AIRPORTS TO UTILIZE IN TERMS OF HANGAR USAGE. AND AS PAULA SUGGESTS, UM, THEIR, THEIR BASIC, THE BASIC, UH, MESSAGE THEY HAVE SENT TO AIRPORTS IS THIS IS A MINIMUM IF IT WANT, IF YOU NEED TO MAKE IT STRICTER, YOU CAN, THIS IS JUST OUR MINIMUM AND THEIR MINIMUM IS THE AIRCRAFT NEEDS TO BE READILY ACCESSIBLE AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME. SO, UM, I'VE HAD THE FORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN FAA COMPLIANCE PERSON COME WITH ME DURING HANGAR INSPECTIONS. AND BASICALLY YET THE EXPLANATION IS GIVEN IS IF YOU CAN OPEN THE HANGAR [00:25:01] DOORS AND IMMEDIATELY PULL OUT THE, THE AIRCRAFT, THEN IT IS NOT CONSIDERED IMPEDED. BUT IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE ANYTHING AT ALL IN ORDER TO UTILIZE THE AIRCRAFT, THEN IT IS CONSIDERED IMPEDED IN THAT PROPER USE OF THE MOVE ON. MOVE ON WITH IT. OKAY. UH, ITEM, UH, THAT WAS ITEM 5.2, ITEM SIX, COMMITTEE [6. COMMITTEE REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY STAFF AND COMMISSION MEMBERS] REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY STAFF AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING FOR THAT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM STAFF? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME. YOU GUYS. UM, ALRIGHT. ITEM SEVEN, OUR FAVORITE ONE ADJOURNMENT TO A REGULAR AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING ON MONDAY, MAY 4TH, 2026, 6:30 PM CIVIC CENTER MEETING HALL, WILLIAM AND HALL COMMUNITY ROOM 10 16 SOUTH LIVERMORE LIVERMORE AVENUE. DON'T BRING THE SPACEX 45 MINUTES OR SOMETHING. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO FOR YOUR, YOUR, UH, YOUR, WHAT DO YOU WORK ON? EAGLE SCOUT SOMETHING? UH, IT'S THE COMMUNICATIONS . OH, OKAY. YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO ASK A QUESTION OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION? NO, WE, OH, SO WHY DID YOU PICK THIS COMMISSION? BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE SHORTEST AND MOST BORING, BORING ONE, RIGHT. OUR SCHEDULE, HONESTLY. SO YEAH. YEAH. WELL THE AIRPORT. THANK YOU. YEAH. IS THERE AN A THERE'S A THING ON AVIATION I THINK IN, IN IN SCOUTING TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. WELL THERE'S, HE'S A HANGAR TENANT AND, AND I AM TOO. I JUST RETIRED FROM UNITED AIRLINES AND I'M A, AND NOW I'M A FULL-TIME AIRPORT. BUM . SORRY. YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO WEEK NOTICE, RIGHT? . SO ANYWAY, YEAH. YEAH. A GOOD, THE AIRPORT'S A GOOD PLACE TO HANG OUT IF YOU LIKE PLANES. SO IF YOU CAN LEARN TO FLY THERE, YOU'LL MEET ALL SORTS OF REALLY COOL. HE'S A ED, HE'S A GREAT GUY. HE'S, HE'S BUILDING HANGERS UP AT A, UP AT LINCOLN AIRPORT, SO HE HAS A REALLY COOL PLANE. YEAH. YEP. HE ALWAYS BEEN TO EEA A MEETING. YEAH. 14, 13. CLOSE ENOUGH. YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR EEA A CHAPTER MEETING? I FEEL LIKE I JUST HAD ONE. YEAH. I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK UP, IT'S CHAPTER 6 6 3, RIGHT? SO I DID 6, 6 3, I THINK SO, YEAH. THE, OKAY, SO THE EAA IS THE EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION AND THAT WHOLE ORGANIZATION IS FOR BASICALLY KIDS THAT GREW UP AND THEY STARTED OUT BUILDING MODEL AIRPLANES, BUT THEN NOW THEY'RE BUILDING FULL SIZE AIRPLANES AND UH, AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF LIKE THAT. AND THAT CHAPTER, WHAT THEY, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY DO 'EM AT LIVERMORE. DO YOU, ARE YOU FAMILIAR? WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOUNG EAGLES? YOU KNOW, THE YOUNG EAGLES? YEAH. THEIR NEXT, UM, THING IS APRIL 11TH. YEAH, APRIL 11TH. YEAH. SO, YEAH, SO I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE WEBSITE IS IS EA SIX SIX THREE.ORG, I THINK WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH EA YEAH. BUT WHAT, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS YOU COULD COME OUT TO THAT AND, AND PILOTS THAT ARE IN THAT CHAPTER WILL VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME IN THEIR AIRPLANES AND TAKE KIDS UP FOR THEIR FIRST FLIGHTS. ACTUALLY, I USED TO DO IT QUITE OFTEN AND I, I, I'D SEE THE REGULARS. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE KIDS ARE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE HAVING YOUR THIRD FIRST FLIGHT HERE. EXCELLENT. YOU KNOW, . SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, SO MOST OF THE PILOTS REALLY ENJOY ENTHUSIASTIC KIDS AND, AND SHOWING KIDS THE AIRPORT. 'CAUSE EVERYONE OF US THAT BECAME PROFESSIONAL PILOTS OR WHATEVER, OR, OR EVEN PRIVATE PILOTS AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT USE AIRCRAFT STARTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME INTEREST IN AVIATION. SO MY DAUGHTER, SHE WOULD GET OUT NOTICE NOBODY WAS GETTING IN FAST ENOUGH BACK IN . AH, MAKE SURE YOU SIGN UP THOUGH, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, THEY'RE STARTING TO LIMIT SEATS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERIENCE POPULAR. YEAH. LEMME SEE IF THEY, THEY, THEY RUN OUTTA SPACE EVERYWHERE. WHEN YOU GO TO THE EAA WEBSITE, UM, AND YOU GO TO THE, UM, THEIR, THEIR EVENT, UM, IT'LL ALLOW YOU TO SIGN UP ONLINE. YOU'RE GONNA WANNA DO THAT . YEAH, IT IS E EEA A SIX SIX THREE.ORG. THAT'S THE CHAPTER NUMBER OUT THERE. SO YEAH. [00:30:01] YEAH. IT'S SO MUCH FUN. PLUS LIVERMORE HAS AN AWESOME RADIO CONTROLLED AIRCRAFT CLUB. MEAN HER HUSBAND'S IN IT AND I'M IN IT. MY, MY, YOU KNOW, WELL THERE'S ONE OUT BY THE, UH, BY THE OLD BART BY THE BART PROPERTY ON THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FREEWAY. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S OUT ON, UM, OUT IN THE FIELDS UP THERE NORTH. UH, YEAH, YOU GO UP VASCO AND THEN YOU HANG A LEFT. IT'S LIKE A, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT THAT'S CALLED THE, UH, FLYING ELECTRONS. AND, UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THEY'VE GOT A PAVED RUNWAY THERE AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THESE TABLES WITH ELECTRICAL OUTLETS FOR PEOPLE CHARGE UP THEIR BATTERY POWERED PLANES AND ALL THAT. AND, UH, YEAH, I STARTED MY SON OUT THERE FLYING RC PLANES WHEN HE WAS 10. AND, UH, NOW HE'S FLYING 7 47 CARGO JETS. SO STARTING WITH THE RC PLANES GETTING INTO DRONE AND THEN. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.