* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING. [1. CALL TO ORDER] PERHAPS WE'LL FOLLOW A VERY GOOD ROUTINE OF STARTING THE MEETING ON TIME. IS SEVEN O'CLOCK ON THE DOT? I SEE THAT WE HAVE VERY GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO FROM THE CITY STAFF. I'M VERY PLEASED. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I AM JUST GONNA CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. FIRST, I'LL ASK DEBBIE TO CALL ROSE. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THANK YOU. CHAIRPERSON CHANG. UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALEXI HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BCHA. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER CHONG. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER HALVERSON. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER KENT. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER LADON IS ABSENT THIS EVENING. COMMITTEE MEMBER PETE HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER ALTA HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER STROUT HERE. VICE CHAIR TROOP MOSSI AND CHAIRPERSON CHANG. [3. REGULAR SPECIAL MEETING] SO, UH, ONE LAST TIME, LET ME JUST READ THIS STATEMENT. UM, UM, THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE REGARDING, UM, THESE, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. AND TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, PLEASE SUBMIT A SPEAKER'S CARD, THE YELLOW CARDS NEXT TO THE DOOR. AND WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, PLEASE STAND ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE. AND THE COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. PER ITEM. AND, UM, AND THEN WHEN, UM, ALL THEIR COMMENTS ARE, UH, PRESENTED, I WILL CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC, THE OPEN FORUM, AND, UM, IF THEY ARE ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS BEYOND 30 MINUTES, WE CAN, UH, RECONVENE IF NECESSARY. SO, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES. SO FIRST LET ME ASK IF, UH, THIS IS FOR THE MARCH 4TH MEETING. AND LET ME ASK IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS. SO THAT'S A NO. OKAY. AND, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS REGARDING THE MINUTES? OKAY, THAT'S A NOTE. AND SO FIRST I WILL CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND, UM, IF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE. MARCH MINUTES. UH, WE, I'LL SECOND. SECOND. THANK YOU. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A VOTE. THANK YOU, DEBBIE. THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON. UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER ALEXI AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BCHA. ABSTAIN. COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM. COMMITTEE MEMBER CHONG. COMMITTEE MEMBER HALON AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER KENT AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER PETE. COMMITTEE MEMBER ALTA AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER STROUT? YES. VICE CHAIR TROOP MOSSY AYE. AND CHAIRPERSON CHANG. AND THAT'S A AYE. THANK YOU. SO WE CONCLUDE THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, THAT CONSENT ITEM. SO, UH, I'M GONNA TURN, UM, THE AGENDA O ITEM OVER TO THE, UH, THE PROJECT TEAM. THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION, AND, UH, AFTER THE PRESENTATION, WE WILL, UM, INVITE THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS HAVE CONCLUDED. SO, UM, ANDY, THANK YOU, CHAIR SHANG. UM, BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO JUST INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TEAM THAT HAS GROWN A LITTLE BIT. UM, PAUL SPENCE, OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, BRENT SMITH, OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MR. STEVE RILEY IS OUR PLANNING MANAGER. AND THEN KATHERINE MASU, OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. OBVIOUSLY DEBBIE, UM, IS OUR EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT WHO HELPS RUN OUR MEETINGS. AND THEN JOANNA AND CARRIE FROM THE PLACE WORKS TEAM. AND SO BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS ITEM, JUST ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE TEAM, WE WANTED TO THANK THE COMMITTEE, UM, FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION OVER THIS, UH, EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE MANY HOURS THAT VOLUNTEERED AND PUT IN, UM, AND COMMITTED TO THIS LENGTHY PROCESS. UM, HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THAT THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU, WHICH WE'RE RECOMMENDING YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS EVENING, UH, REFLECTS THE 36 MEETINGS, UM, AND THE EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATIONS, UH, THAT YOU UNDERTOOK. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THIS DOCUMENT INCORPORATES A LOT OF THE KEY, UM, THEMES AND DIRECTION THAT YOU AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE PROVIDED, [00:05:01] UH, OVER THIS PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO MR. SPENCE, WHO ALSO HAS SOME REMARKS. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO, UM, ANDY'S COMMENTS AND THANK THE COMMITTEE. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS FIVE YEARS AGO ON THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE AND, UH, THE, THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S SERVICES HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE THAN ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. UH, WE DID A MUCH DEEPER DIVE WITH YOU ALL AND WENT THROUGH A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT CONTENT. UM, WE, WE DID A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH DURING THAT TIME. STAFF WAS OUT AT, UH, FARMER'S MARKETS AND POPUPS AND DID OPEN HOUSES AND EVENTS. BUT, UH, YOU ALL ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. YOU WERE SELECTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO REPRESENT A, A BROAD SWATH OF LIVERMORE OF RESIDENTS OF, OF, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND EMPLOYEES. AND, UM, AND I THINK YOU HAVE DONE JUST THAT REMARKABLY WELL, ASKED PHENOMENAL QUESTIONS AND, UH, PUSH STAFF TO, UH, DIVE DEEP AND, AND DO OUR HOMEWORK. AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A FANTASTIC PROCESS HERE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I HAVEN'T BEEN IN EVERY MEETING, BUT I, I DO FOLLOW, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT OR TWO TO, TO THANK YOU AS WELL FOR THAT LONG JOURNEY FOR STICKING WITH US AND FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD AND GOOD WORK. SO THANK YOU. BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO JOANNA TO ACTUALLY START THE PRESENTATION, UH, JUST ONE MORE BIT OF GRATITUDE. WE'D LIKE TO THANK, UM, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE COME AND PARTICIPATED, UH, IN THESE MEETINGS AND PROVIDED THEIR INPUT AND FEEDBACK. WE RECOGNIZE THAT EVENING MEETINGS CAN BE CHALLENGING TO ATTEND. UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TONIGHT IS THE FIRST NIGHT OF PASSOVER. AND SO SOME OF, UH, OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE UNABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT, BUT WE'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AND REMIND THE COMMITTEE THAT YOUR MEETINGS ARE JUST ONE CHANNEL TO PROVIDE INPUT THAT THERE'LL BE, UH, CONTINUED ONLINE COMMENTS THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE MONTH OF APRIL, WHERE WE'LL TAKE THAT FEEDBACK ON THE GENERAL PLAN. UM, AND ALSO THERE'LL BE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES, PROVIDE INPUT IN PERSON, BOTH AT PLANNING COMMISSION AND OUR CITY COUNCIL. AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO JOANNA JANSSEN FROM PLACE WORKS, UH, TO WALK US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. GREAT. THANK YOU ANDY. UH, AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE GPAC MEMBERS. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT WITH YOU AT THIS VERY IMPORTANT MILESTONE. AS ANDY SAID, MY NAME IS JOANNA JANSEN. I'M WITH THE CONSULTANT PLACE WORKS THAT HAS BEEN SUPPORTING THIS CITY THROUGHOUT THE GENERAL PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. UH, AND LAST MONTH AT OUR GPAC UM, MEETING, WE REALLY SPENT, UM, THE TIME KIND OF GIVING YOU AN ORIENTATION AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE DOCUMENT. WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. AGAIN, I KNOW THAT NOT EVERYBODY WAS HERE, UH, IN MARCH. UM, BUT WE DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE. SO I AM GONNA MOVE THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY SWIFTLY. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME FOR GPAC QUESTIONS. UM, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, IF ANYTHING COMES UP FOR YOU OR IF I'M MOVING, UM, TOO FAST, I AM GONNA GO THROUGH, UM, AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, WHICH SHOULD BE VERY FAMILIAR TO ALL OF YOU BY THIS TIME. UH, JUST QUICKLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR. UH, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UM, YOUR DISCUSSION AND NEXT STEPS. SO WITH THAT, UM, JUST A REMINDER OF WHERE WE'VE COME FROM AND WHERE, HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE. UH, WE STARTED WITH VISIONING RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS. SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON LAND USE ALTERNATIVES. UH, WE ALSO ACCOMPLISHED AN ENTIRE HOUSING ELEMENT AND GOT THE CITY A CERTIFIED HOUSING ELEMENT DURING THIS TIME. THEN WE WORKED ON SOME POLICIES AND PUT ALL OF THAT TOGETHER IN THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT, WHICH IS ACCOMPANIED, UM, IN, DURING THIS PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD WITH A DRAFT EIR AS WELL. I THINK, UM, WE ALL REMEMBER THE GENERAL PLAN VISION ABOUT LIVERMORE AS A COMMUNITY WITH A BIG HEART WHERE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS FLOURISH. AND ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS SUPPORTED BY THESE NINE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. UM, EXCUSE ME, 10 GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT COVER, UM, A RANGE OF TOPICS THAT REALLY TRY TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE TOUCHED ON, UH, ALL OF THE MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT ARE IN THAT GENERAL PLAN. AND AS YOU'VE REVIEWED THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, WE TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME PLACES WHERE THESE PRINCIPLES ARE EXPRESSED IN EACH ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. UH, YOU'VE SEEN THIS GRAPHIC MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT OUR PROCESS. JUST A REMINDER THAT THE GENERAL PLAN IS THE, THE POLICY DOCUMENT THAT REALLY SETS, UH, THE CITY'S OVERALL POLICY GOALS AND IS THEN EXPRESSED IN MORE DETAIL THROUGH BOTH, UM, UH, OTHER IMPLEMENTING DOCUMENTS LIKE THE LIVERMORE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND SPECIFIC PLANS. UM, ALSO SOME MORE FOCUSED TOPIC AREA PLANS LIKE THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN AND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. AND THEN ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE REALLY TRANSLATED INTO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THROUGH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS, THE CITY'S ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM, UM, ET CETERA. BUT ALL OF THAT FLOWS FROM THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE [00:10:01] MAKING, UM, AND CONSIDERING ADOPTING HERE IN THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU, UH, IN THE PUBLIC THAT WANNA FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, PLEASE VISIT IMAGINE LIVERMORE 2040 FIVE.ORG THAT HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT AND ALL OF THE VARIOUS, UH, RESOURCES AND DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE PRODUCED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, INCLUDING, OF COURSE, THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN. UH, WE ALSO HAVE SOME VIDEOS ON THERE, UM, AND EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND A STORY MAP, UH, THAT HELPS TO EXPLAIN AND ORIENT FOLKS TO THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN WITHOUT HAVING TO WADE INTO THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT. BUT IF YOU WANNA WADE INTO THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT, THAT'S VERY MUCH THERE AS WELL. SO WHAT IS THE DOCUMENT? UH, THE GENERAL PLAN HAS THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SCREEN. IT COVERS LAND USE, UM, HOUSING, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ELEMENT, NOT PART OF THE DRAFT DOCUMENT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. COMMUNITY IDENTITY, MOBILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, COMMUNITY SERVICES, OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION, NOISE, SAFETY, ECO AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN ALL OF THE, UH, ACTIONS IN THE GENERAL PLAN IN A, IN A, UH, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS, UH, IN DETAIL, BUT JUST DID WANNA HAVE THIS MATRIX AVAILABLE TO US. UM, IN CASE ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE DIFFERENT SPECIFIC TOPICS ARE IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THIS REPRODUCES A TABLE THAT'S ALSO IN THE INTRODUCTION OF THE GENERAL PLAN, JUST TO HELP ORIENT READERS TO KNOW, UM, IF YOU CARE ABOUT A GIVEN TOPIC, UH, WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT IN THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SO THIS GIVES YOU A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT ARE THE DETAILS WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS IN THE OVERVIEW. AND THEN, OF COURSE, A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT IN THIS GROUP IS THE GENERAL PLAN LAND USE MAP. UM, THIS WAS PUBLISHED, UM, OVER A YEAR AGO, UH, ONCE THE COUNCIL HAD GIVEN DIRECTION ON THE LAND USE ALTERNATIVES PROCESS, UM, AND IS AVAILABLE IN AN INTERACTIVE FORM AT IMAGINE LIVERMORE 2040 FIVE.ORG. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO VISIT THERE, YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND CLICK ON INDIVIDUAL PARCELS AND IT WILL POP UP UNTIL YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DESIGNATION, UM, AND OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PARCEL. SO THE GENERAL PLAN IS GOING TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL IN REGULATING WHAT CAN GET BUILT AND WHERE IN LIVERMORE, UH, AFTER THE GENERAL PLAN IS ADOPTED. SO THIS GENERAL PLAN, AS I SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING, UH, MAINTAINS A LOT OF WHAT IS WORKING WELL IN LIVERMORE. UM, IT MAINTAINS AND STRENGTHENS DOWNTOWN AND REALLY FACILITATES INFILL DEVELOPMENT. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. IT PROTECTS THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, INCLUDING AGRICULTURE AND CONSERVATION. AND IT CARRIES FORWARD EXISTING APPROVED SPECIFIC PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, THIS COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED SO MUCH IN LIKE ISABELLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EL CHARO SPECIFIC PLAN OUT WHERE THE OUTLETS ARE. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE IT CONTINUES THE CITY'S STRONG SUPPORT FOR BICYCLING AND WALKING AND OTHER FORMS OF ALTERNATIVE, UH, TRANSPORTATION. AND THE GENERAL PLAN ALSO ADDS SOME NEW IDEAS THAT REFLECT, UM, OUR PRESENT DAY, UH, SITUATION AND THAT AREN'T IN YOUR EXISTING GENERAL PLAN. AND MANY OF THESE ARE BASED ON INPUT THAT WE RECEIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO THOSE INCLUDE POLICIES TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE ADAPTATION AND GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION, AND OTHER FORMS OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. UM, ENSURING THAT ALL LIVERMORE RESIDENTS HAVE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO SERVICES AND SAFE AND HEALTHY PLACES TO LIVE AND PLAY. THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE PIECE. UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADVANCE AND DIVERSIFY LIVERMORE'S ECONOMY BY BOTH STRENGTHENING EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE TODAY. AND ALSO ATTRACTING, UH, NEW BUSINESSES TO LIVERMORE'S INNOVATION ECONOMY, CELEBRATING AND PROTECTING LIVERMORE'S UNIQUE CHARACTER. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE REALLY HAD A HAND IN SHAPING AND HOW LIVERMORE EXPRESSES AGRICULTURE, SCIENCE AND THE ARTS IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, HEALTHY FOOD, UM, CHILDCARE AND SERVICES FOR AGING ADULTS IN OUR HEALTHY COMMUNITIES. POLICIES, UH, THE GPAC SPENT, UM, TIME, I JUST TOUCHED ON KIND OF THE, THE IDENTITY, UM, PIECES ABOUT LIVERMORE, BUT YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT AGRICULTURAL RESOURCES, TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY, UH, SUSTAINABILITY AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE, SCIENCE AND INNOVATION, MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, SOCIAL FABRIC OF LIVERMORE AND THE REVITALIZATION OF CO COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND I JUST WANTED TO REEMPHASIZE ALL OF THOSE POLICY TOPICS ARE REALLY FOUND THROUGHOUT THE GENERAL PLAN IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, POLICIES AND GOALS AND ACTIONS. WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO SO. WE HAD A MARCH 18TH, UM, OPEN HOUSE THAT WAS REALLY FUN. YOU CAN SEE STEVE RILEY THERE. UM, AND, UH, WE, WE HEARD FROM FOLKS, I SEE SOME FAMILIAR FACES FROM [00:15:01] THE OPEN HOUSE HERE. WE HAD STATIONS FOR EACH ONE OF THE ELEMENTS. FOLKS KIND OF COME AND SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS THEY WANTED TO EACH ONE OF THE STATIONS, SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS, TALK TO STAFF, LEARN MORE ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN. UH, THIS IS ALSO ACCOMPANIED WITH AN ONLINE ACTIVITY THAT'S LIVE RIGHT NOW ON THE AT IMAGINE LIVERMORE 2040 FIVE.ORG. THAT OFFERS ANOTHER WAY FOR FOLKS TO GIVE INPUT WITHOUT NEEDING TO SHOW UP AT ANYTHING IN PERSON. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE HAVE GOTTEN A FEW EMAILS AND COMMENT LETTERS, UM, OR FORMAL KIND OF WRITTEN COMMENTS, AND WE WELCOME THOSE. UH, ALSO AS WE'VE BEEN LISTENING SO FAR TO THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF THE THEMES THAT WE'VE HEARD HAVE INCLUDE INCLUDED THAT FOLKS ARE VERY INTERESTED AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AND PROTECT JOB GENERATING USES THAT ARE HERE IN LIVERMORE. UM, MAINTAIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, PROVIDE A VARIETY OF HOUSING AT A, AT A RANGE OF AFFORDABILITY LEVELS, AND THEN CONTINUE TO SUPPORT A MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. SO WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO COLLECT COMMUNITY OUTREACH. WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT HERE TONIGHT. UM, AND THE ONLINE ACTIVITY AND THE WILL CONTINUE TO BE OPEN THROUGH APRIL 20TH. I DO WANNA, UM, CALL THAT OUT. SO IF THERE'S ANYONE LISTENING WHO WANTS TO SUBMIT, UM, COMMENTS THROUGH THE ONLINE EXERCISE THAT WE HAVE AT IMAGINE LIVERMORE 2040 FIVE.ORG, PLEASE DO THAT BEFORE APRIL 20TH. UM, AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO GO TO THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION LATER IN APRIL, AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO TAKE AS MUCH OF THE FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE'LL THEN, UM, GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE GPAC AND FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, AND ASK THEM FOR ANY DIRECTION ON CHANGES THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO THE GENERAL PLAN BEFORE WE BRING IT BACK TO THEM FOR ADOPTION. SO JUST TO BE SUPER CLEAR, WE ARE GONNA HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL IN APRIL AND MAY. THOSE ARE NOT THE ADOPTION HEARINGS. NO FINAL DECISIONS WILL BE MADE AT THOSE HEARINGS. UM, ADOPTION IS GONNA BE SCHEDULED FOR JULY IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO PLEASE DO KEEP AN EYE ON IMAGINE LIVERMORE 2040 FIVE.ORG FOR THOSE MEETING DATES AND JUST IN CASE, UM, ANYTHING CHANGES WITH OUR TIMING. BUT THOSE ARE THE PLANNED, UH, NEXT STEPS. AND ANDY? YEP. SO THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION ON THE GENERAL PLAN. SO AT THIS POINT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE DRAFT GENERAL PLAN, AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD TO BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. AND SO BEFORE, UM, ENTERTAINING A MOTION, WE'D RECOMMEND, UH, CHAIR THAT YOU OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT COMMITTEE CAN PROVIDE, UH, ASK STAFF ANY QUESTIONS, UM, AND THEN YOU CAN CONSIDER THE MOTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UH, MAY I JUST ADD TO THE, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD EARLIER BEFORE I OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT I REALLY JUST WANNA ALSO SHOW MY APPRECIATION AND THANK ALL MY, UH, PEER COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UM, REALLY MORE THAN APPRECIATION. I REALLY WANNA EXPRESS MY ADMIRATION FOR YOUR COMMITMENT AND YOUR PERSISTENCE FIVE YEARS. GOSH, THAT'S SOUNDS REALLY AMAZING. SO, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA QUICKLY SAY THAT THANK YOU AND I HOPE I DO SEE YOU ALL MORE AFTER THIS LAST MEETING. SO WITH, SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANNA OPEN, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT. I BELIEVE WE HAVE YELLOW CARDS, DEBBIE, SO I'LL LET YOU, WE HAVE FOUR, SO I'LL LET YOU MANAGE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRPERSON CHANG. UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS GREG SCOTT. THANK YOU. WELCOME. CAN I STAND RIGHT HERE? YEP. NOT BY THE COMPUTER THOUGH. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M GREG SCOTT. I'M GONNA BE THE PEDANTIC ONE HERE. UH, WE GO BY PREDICTIONS AND PROGNOSTICATIONS AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, SOME OF IT IS STATISTICS BEING PEDANTIC AND STATISTICS. WE HAVE INDEPENDENT VARIABLES, WHICH WE CALL THE PREDICTORS, AND WE HAVE DEPENDENT VARIABLES, WHICH WE CALL THE TARGET. AND WHAT INDEPENDENT VARIABLES AM I TALKING ABOUT? WELL, ONE WOULD BE GROWTH. AND HOW DO WE DO GROWTH? PREDOMINANTLY GROWTH IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IS GENERATIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. YOU HAVE FOUR HYPERSCALERS DOING $660 BILLION IN INVESTMENT IN 2026 ALONE. SO HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA BE MAINTAINED? WELL, AS MY NINTH GRADE BUSINESS TEACHER WOULD SAY, WHY DO YOU DO ENORMOUS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR INCREASINGLY NEGATIVE MARGINS? HOW LONG IS THAT GONNA GO ON? YES, YOU'VE GOT RENTS INCREASING IN, IN, UM, SAN [00:20:01] FRANCISCO RIGHT NOW, TEMPORALLY, BUT HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAINTAIN THE GROWTH? SO IT'S HOW DO YOU DO, HOW ARE YOU DOING YOUR PROJECTIONS ON GROWTH? I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'VE CONSIDERED THAT ENOUGH. UM, ALSO, ANOTHER, UH, VARIABLE IS ASSET VALUATIONS. HOW ARE WE GONNA KEEP UP THE, UH, ASSET VALUATIONS? UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT INFLATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE A LOSS IN DEMAND, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? AND, UM, WE CAN'T KEEP UP WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE IN FOR BIG CHANGES. FOR EXAMPLE, MUNICIPAL BONDS. WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT MUNICIPAL BONDS HERE UP TO 2025, WE HAD $4 TRILLION IN MUNICIPAL BONDS THAT INCREASED BY, IN 40% OF THAT WAS ISSUED IN CALIFORNIA. SO $1.6 TRILLION. OKAY? SO WE HAD AN INCREASE OF 11% IN MUNICIPAL BOND ISSUANCE IN THE UNITED STATES. SO ANOTHER 200 BILLION IN BONDS. HOW ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT? THE DOUBLING FACTOR OF 11%, WE'RE GONNA DOUBLE IT IN SEVEN YEARS. ARE YOU CONSIDERING THIS? HOW WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE GROWTH, WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE FINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE THE GROWTH TO MAINTAIN THE DEBT LEVEL. AND LIQUIDITY IS HOW THE, THE, THE ECONOMIC ENGINE WORKS. IT'S LIQUIDITY IS LIKE THE OIL AND AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE OIL, IT DOESN'T FUNCTION. LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN LIQUIDITY RIGHT NOW IN THE MARKETS. SO WHERE ARE YOUR PROJECT PROJECTIONS AND DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE ADEQUATE PROJECTIONS HERE? THE GROWTH ISN'T GONNA BE WHAT WE THINK. IT'S SIMPLY NOT GONNA BE WHERE, WHERE IT IS. AND, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, JULIA WILD, THANK YOU ALL. UM, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS, I, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT TO SEE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY REPEATEDLY SHOWN ON THE SLIDES WAS REALLY, REALLY WONDERFUL. SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT, UM, YOU'RE ALL LISTENING AND TAKING ALL OF THIS INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT TRULY IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE IN LIVERMORE THAT JUST LOVE THE OPEN SPACES, I'LL LIVERMORE AND FIND IT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY TRULY VALUE IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO I APPRECIATE ALL OF THIS. SO I'LL JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF JUST QUICK POINTS HERE. UH, THE PLANS STATES TO FOCUS GROWTH WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, BUT BETTER LANGUAGE WOULD BE TO LIMIT GROWTH TO WITHIN THE URBAN GROWTH PONDERING. I KNOW THIS SEEMS LIKE JUST A REALLY SMALL DETAIL, BUT WHEN WE SEE THE EAST OF GREENVILLE STILL BEING CONSIDERED AS A STEADY AREA, IT MAKES PEOPLE NERVOUS. IT'S LIKE, WELL THEN WHAT'S BEHIND DOOR NUMBER THREE? WHAT ARE YOU GONNA COME WITH IN THE FUTURE? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS REALLY SECURE. SO IF YOU COULD HELP US TO DO THAT, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU, UH, CAROL WAR I THAT WRONG? SORRY. GOT IT. ? IT'S FINE. HI. UM, I WANT TO SECOND WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SAID. BASICALLY, UM, TO LIMIT THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, SPECIFICALLY EAST OF GREENVILLE ROAD. UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S LISTED AS STUDY AREA AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER STUDY AREA AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND CAROL SILVA. THANK, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. HI. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF POINTS TO MAKE, BUT I AGREE WITH, UM, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS. UM, IN REGARDS TO THE PROJECTION OF LIVERMORE'S POPULATION FROM APRIL, 2020 TO JANUARY, 2025, THE POPULATION HAS DECREASED BY NEARLY 2000, YET THE NUMBER OF HOMES HASN'T INCREASED. UM, THE DRAFT EIR PROJECTS AN INCREASE OF MORE THAN 43,000 NEW RESIDENTS, WHICH IS AN APPROXIMATE 50% INCREASE IN OUR CURRENT POPULATION. THERE'S NO NEED NOW, OR PROBABLY FOR QUITE SOME TIME PO NOT EVEN POSSIBLY THROUGH 2045 TO BREAK. UM, THE, THE EAST GREENVILLE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY, UM, THE CITY SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE, UM, NOT WANTING FOR THE, FOR DUBLIN TO BREAK ITS URBAN LIMIT LINE BETWEEN DUBLIN AND LIVERMORE. AND DOLAND CANYON AND I HELPED FIGHT, UM, DUBLIN SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T BREAK THE DUBLIN'S URBAN [00:25:01] LIMIT LINE THERE. SO, UM, WHY SHOULD WE CONSIDER BREAKING OUR OWN URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY? UM, WHY STUDY BREAKING THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY WHEN OUR POPULATION IS DECLINING? IF THINGS IN THE FUTURE CHANGE DRAMATICALLY IN REGARDS TO POPULATION WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO STUDY IT IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHY WASTE TAXPAYERS MONEY NOW, UM, BESIDES A STUDY IN MAYBE 2045 WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE THAN HAVING A STUDY IN EAST GREENVILLE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. THAT'S THE LAST YELLOW CARD I HAVE. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS? TURN IT BACK TO YOU, CHAIRPERSON. THANK YOU SO MUCH, DEBBIE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS. UM, I WANNA BE SURE THAT YOU ARE HEARD AND, UH, WE HAVE MANY VENUES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. AND THANK YOU AGAIN. SO NOW I'M HOPING TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO PROVIDE, UM, ANY COMMENTS. AND, UM, I'M THINKING THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE WILL DISCUSS THIS, SO FEEL FREE, AND I'D LIKE TO CHIME IN MYSELF LATER ON. SO BEFORE WE PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, PERHAPS WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE COM ALL THE COMMITTEES, UM, HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY EXPRESS YOUR FINAL COMMENTS. MAY I? YES. UM, SO I MEAN, UM, AS WE, I MEAN, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR LAST CHANCE. UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT OUR OBLIGATION, UM, TO NECESSARILY RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE IT'S OUR LAST OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO IN THIS ROOM. SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO RECOGNIZE THE COMMENTS ONE LAST TIME WHILE I HAVE THE MICROPHONE IN MY HAND. UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE UGB IN PARTICULAR IS, IS A COMMON THEME, NOT JUST IN THIS MEETING, BUT THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, PROJECT. UM, AND I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE, BUT MY RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD, UM, IS, IS I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHERE THE LANGUAGE HAS LANDED RELATIVE TO HOW WE CONSIDER, UM, GROWTH IN AND, AND OUT OF THE CITY. UM, WE'VE SPENT AND SPUN THE TIRES, UM, MANY HOURS ON IT. UM, AND, AND I MEAN, YEAH, UM, I CAN CERTAINLY HEAR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ALARMS YOU AND, YOU KNOW, QUESTION WHY BREAK THE UGB? THE, THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW. AND I, AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. THE VERBIAGE GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER GROWTH, UM, BEFORE BREAKING ANY BOUNDARIES GROWTH, UM, WITHIN CITY LIMITS. AND IN GENERAL, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT LIVERMORE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE 20 YEARS FROM NOW. SO, UM, JUST AS MY LAST OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. I, I PROMISE YOU WE'VE CONSIDERED IT SERIOUSLY. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 35 MEETINGS, FIVE YEARS, UM, AND THAT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A MAJOR TOPIC IN MANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. UM, AND AS THE VICE CHAIR, UM, I, I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT AND I, AND I FEEL GOOD WHERE IT HAS LANDED WITHIN THE DOCUMENT PERSONALLY. THAT'S JUST WHERE I AM. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. UM, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY WHERE, AT LEAST MY INTERPRETATION IS THAT THERE IS NO IN PLAN TO BREAK THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. MY RECOLLECTION AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE TO GIVE CRITERIA, UM, BY WHICH THE, THE CONSIDERATION OF EAST OF GREENVILLE WOULD, WOULD ARISE. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S, THERE'S NO PLANNED STUDY. IT'S MERELY A, A CRITERIA BY WHICH THERE WOULD BE A, A STUDY INITIATED. THAT'S CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ALLEVIATES ANY OF THE CONCERN, BUT I, I, I, I AM ALSO SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE, SOME OF THE PROJECTIONS OF, OF POPULATION GROWTH. BUT, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY OUR JOB TO, TO DECIDE , UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECTIONS ARE HIGHLY ACCURATE OR NOT. WHAT, WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE CITY IS REQUIRED [00:30:02] BY STATE PASSED DOWN TO, TO PROVIDE ZONING THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF GROWTH. WHETHER OR NOT THAT GROWTH HAPPENS IS REALLY, UM, A FACTOR OF MANY THINGS, INCLUDING THE, THE NATIONAL ECONOMY, THE, THE LOCAL ECONOMY, UH, WHO KNOWS WHAT ALL, BUT, BUT THE POINT IS THAT THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE ABOUT PROVIDING THAT AREA FOR, UM, FOR HOUSING NOW. AND A QUESTION CAME UP AND, UM, AT, AT AT LEAST, UH, ONE STAFF MEMBER THAT OVER THERE WAS AT THE SAME CONFERENCE I WAS YESTERDAY, THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE OF, OF, OF, OF ECONOMIC GROWTH IN, IN CALIFORNIA IN GENERAL. BUT ONE OF THE NUMBERS THAT I RECALL HEARING WAS, UH, LIVERMORE HAS 120 ACRES LEFT OF LAND FOR POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY THE RIGHT NUMBER, BUT I, MY RECOLLECTION OF OUR DISCUSSION, UH, AND AT LEAST CERTAINLY MY OPINION, WAS THAT THERE WAS REALLY NO REASON, UH, TO OPEN UP EAST OF GREENVILLE FOR HOUSING. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ON THIS COMMITTEE HAD EVER SAID THAT. UM, SO IF THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, UH, IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT THAT, UM, I, I THINK OUR, OUR STAFF, UH, I MEAN, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, WAS POTENTIAL INDUSTRIAL EXPANSION BECAUSE THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, ATLANTA WAS LARGELY CONSUMED. AND, UH, AND THAT THERE WAS ALSO AN, AN AREA IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF, OF THE EAST OF GREENVILLE FOR POSSIBLY A, UH, UH, UH, AN AGRICULTURAL SUPPORT FACILITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE COMMENTS REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CON UH, WHAT WHAT THE DISCUSSION ACT AND DECISIONS REALLY WERE, RATHER THAN JUST SAY, UM, YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARY. I THINK I IT BECAUSE THERE, THERE WAS NO DECISION TO DO THAT. AND IN FACT, I WAS HIGHLY CRITICAL OF ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. IT HAD A MEGA SHOPPING CENTER OUT THERE WITH NO STREET ACCESS. IT JUST MADE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. AND, AND I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY SERIOUSLY CONSIDERS THAT AS AN, AS AN OPTION. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE, NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT POTENTIALLY ON THE TABLE. SO I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOME OF THAT. UM, I HAD, I PUT IN SOME COMMENTS. I JUST WANT TO, UM, THE, THE ONE, THE ONE I, UH, THE ONE I HAD ABOUT THE GAS STATION REQUIRE IF A GAS STATION, UM, WANTS TO MODIFY IT HAS TO PUT IN AN ELECTRIC CHARGER. MY COMMENT WAS, UM, THAT IF, IF I WERE GONNA GET CHARGED CHARGE MY CAR AND IT, AND IT TOOK AN HOUR TO DO IT, GAS STATION IS PROBABLY THE LAST PLACE I'D WANT TO DO IT. I'D WANT DO IT IN A PLACE WHERE I COULD DO SOME OF THE SHOPPING OR READING OR, OR WHATEVER. NOW, YESTERDAY WE HEARD ABOUT THE FAST CHARGING COMING ON WHERE YOU CAN MAYBE CHARGE IN 10 MINUTES. AND MAYBE THAT MAKES SENSE. MAYBE, MAYBE, UH, ALONG THE FREEWAY THAT, THAT, THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. MY, MY GENERAL CONCERN IS THAT I THOUGHT THAT THE LANGUAGE IN THE GENERAL PLAN WAS TOO SPECIFIC AND, AND THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE EVOLVING AND WHAT MAKES SENSE NOW MAY BE NOT WHAT MAKES SENSE 10 YEARS FROM NOW. AND, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER'S IN THE LANGUAGE IS, IS GENERAL ENOUGH THAT, UM, IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS IS EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY. AND AS I'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE, YEAH, WE, OVER THE YEARS, WE WILL NEED MORE CHARGING STATIONS, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. BUT ELECTRIC CAR GROWTH IS NOT GROWING MAYBE AS FAST AS SOME PEOPLE. SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY, UH, TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REAL. UH, BUT, BUT ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE REAL. UM, I, I READ IN ONE OF THE COMMENTS SUBMITTED THAT THERE WAS AN AREA, UH, THAT IT WAS BROWN BY WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS OPEN SPACE. AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE SAME COMMENT THAT I MADE, UM, BUT I WASN'T QUITE SURE. UH, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT YOU, YOU REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, OF BREAK POINTS. AND SO WHAT IN A PREVIOUS MAP WAS KIND OF A GRADED DENSITY FROM THE FREEWAY TOWARDS, UM, IT'S NOT REALLY TECHNICALLY SPRINGTOWN, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UP IN THAT AREA, UM, VASCO ROAD. AND I THINK PERHAPS THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED AND, UM, AND AS TO WHAT, WHAT THAT DENSITY REALLY IS. AND IT'S NOT REALLY HIGH DENSITY. IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE, THE LOWEST, THE LOWEST HIGH DENSITY, IF YOU WILL. AND, BUT IT IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION IS, IS EVEN THAT THOUGH ON THE HIGH SIDE OF WHAT THE MARKET WOULD SUPPORT IN THAT AREA. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, [00:35:01] UM, THINGS CAN EVOLVE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO LOCK YOURSELF INTO, UM, ESSENTIALLY A DENSITY REQUIREMENT THAT, UH, THAT BASICALLY MEANS NOTHING WILL EVER HAPPEN. UM, DAVID, YOU YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, UH, , THE, THE STUDY OF EAST GREENVILLE FROM A WILDLIFE STANDPOINT? I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS TO THE GENERAL PLAN. YEAH. OKAY. UH, JUST TO RECIPROCATE THE, UH, THE ADMIRATION FOR STAFF AND CONSULTANTS, UH, WITH EFFORTS ON, UM, MAKING ALL THE, ALL THESE FIVE YEARS SO MEANINGFUL AND PRODUCTIVE AND TO THE PEER, UH, PEER GROUP. UH, SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. UM, MY ONE, UM, ONE ISSUE WOULD BE THE MIDTOWN, WHICH IS NOW, UH, WE FORMED IT DEPENDENT ON, ON THE VALLEY LINK, UM, WHICH IS NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL HAPPEN OR NOT BECAUSE OF BART, UM, YOU KNOW, OF BART DECISIONS, UM, VALLEY LINK, UM, AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF MIDTOWN, UM, IS IN LIMBO IN MY OPINION. AND I REMEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, ANDY WAS EXPLAINING, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE TWO ON ONE WITH ANDY, UM, THE, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY AND, UM, UM, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT AS YOU HAD, UH, MENTIONED TO US, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A TRANSPORTATION HUB DEPENDENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT. SO AS A BART DECISIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVOLVE, UH, THAT MIDTOWN AREA ALSO WILL NEED TO EVOLVE, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC AND VERY DETAILED ON THE PLAN. UM, SO ZONING MIGHT, UM, MIGHT, UH, CHANGE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS ABOUT THAT TOO. I MEAN, THANK YOU. A . UM, YEAH, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO REALLY QUICK, UM, NOT MONOLOGUE, BUT I WAS GONNA SHARE JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. ONE, THANKS TO ALL YOU GUYS, I'M GONNA KNOW YOU GUYS FACILITATED A LOT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A SOUNDING BOARD FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, UM, I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF SPIRITED CONVERSATIONS OVER THE YEARS AND, UM, I THINK THE, THE GOAL WAS SIMILAR. UM, SO THAT'S GOOD. I, I DO THINK, UM, IT'S WORTH NOTING ON LIKE THE KIND OF THE US LIKE DEFENDING EAST OF GREENVILLE, I THINK LIKE, IS SOMEWHAT UNNECESSARY. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE ACTUALLY LIKE A LONGSTANDING THREAD OF LIKE, WHY PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY KIND OF FEEL PRETTY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, IF YOU LOOK OVER WHERE I LIVE, LIKE IN WEST LIVERMORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ISABELLE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, EL CHARO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UH, I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF AREAS WHILE TECHNICALLY LIKE INSIDE THE UGB, UM, WE'RE BY AND LARGE VERY SIMILAR TO EAST OF GREENVILLE. UM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, AS RECENT AS LAST YEAR, LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, REZONING, FARMLAND FOR MORE TILT UPS OVER BY MY HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS LIKE FURTHER MAYBE FUEL TO THE FIRE OF, YOU KNOW, WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES IT STOP? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HEARING US TALK ABOUT EAST OF GREENVILLE, UM, AND SAYING LIKE, OH, WELL TECHNICALLY WE COULD GO ALL THE WAY TO THE, YOU KNOW, FOOT OF THE ALTAMONT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S TECHNICALLY ALL REALLY SIMILAR LAND. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, I MEAN, JUST FOR CONTEXT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KIND OF LIKE SHRINK BACK AT THE MENTION OF EAST OF GREENVILLE. 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S USE CASES AND PRECEDENTS LIKE AROUND LIVERMORE, WHERE WHAT WAS ONCE [00:40:01] VERY LARGE SWATHS OF LAND HAVE NOW BECOME PAVED OVER, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY LACKING A LOT OF IDENTITY NOW. UM, I WAS GONNA AGREE. I MEAN, OR AT LEAST KIND OF REITERATE MAYBE, OR KIND OF TOUCH ON WHAT MEL WAS SAYING TOO ABOUT MIDTOWN. OBVIOUSLY I WAS A HUGE OPPONENT OF IT IN ALL OF ITS FORMS FOR YEARS. UM, OBVIOUSLY MORE SO NOW THE FACT THAT IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE, IT WON'T HAVE TRANSIT. I THINK EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS AT VALLEY LINK IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BART SEEING THE PIVOT WITH VALLEY LINK, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL OBVIOUSLY MIDTOWN TO ME, IN ALL OF ITS FORMS PRESENTED A LOT OF ISSUES. UM, I KNOW I WAS REALLY VOCAL ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SCENIC CORRIDOR, WHICH MIDTOWN WOULD BE LIKE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR OF THAT. UM, SO AGAIN, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A TON TO LOOK AT THAT. I THINK, UM, I THINK WE END UP IN LIKE A REALLY UNIQUE POSITION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MORE TIME. BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING ECONOMIES AND CHANGING LANDSCAPES AND CHANGING WORLD, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THE INTRODUCTION, OBVIOUSLY ON THE TECH SIDE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INNOVATION ECONOMIES, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT WHAT WERE HERALDED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, KIND OF CROWN JEWELS OR GROWING BUSINESSES HERE IN LIVERMORE NOW ARE EITHER BANKRUPT OR MOVING OR, YOU KNOW. AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING, UNIQUE TIME TO BE A PART OF A GENERAL PLAN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, YEAH, THE POPULATION CONVERSATION AND, AND A LOT OF THAT, I MEAN, I THINK, AGAIN, UM, I HOPE THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE TOO DEBBIE DOWNER, YOU KNOW, , UH, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THE WORK THAT HAS GONE ON IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I KNOW I REALLY APPRECIATE LIKE BEING ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH EVERYBODY. I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS A FUTURE HOPE, I THINK IT WOULD BE FOR US NOT TO MAYBE SPREAD SO WIDE AND TRY AND DO SO MUCH IN SO MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. UM, NOT NECESSARILY LIKE BY ELEMENTS OR TOPICS, BUT, UM, IN AREAS THAT WE WOULD TRY AND STRETCH INTO AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE HIGH DENSITY AS FAR AS HOUSING GOES, OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT LIKE, HAVE MADE LIVERMORE WHAT IT IS THAT I THINK ARE WOEFULLY MISSING IN THIS GENERAL PLAN. UM, I KNOW I BROUGHT UP EARLY AND OFTEN THE AGRITOURISM SUPPORTING OPEN SPACE, UM, AND THE VINEYARD INDUSTRY. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE CONNECTION THAT THAT IS TO THE DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE KIND OF RESTAURANT FOOD LIFE. UM, SO I JUST THINK, I GUESS MY HOPE WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS LIKE A HIGH LEVEL VISION, UM, BUT OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS, WE'D BE ABLE TO FIND MORE CREATIVE WAYS TO BETTER SUPPORT THOSE INDUSTRIES. SO THAT'S IT. THANKS. IS IT ON? OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I DO WANNA REITERATE WHAT, WHAT MANY OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE SAID. UH, FOR ME, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SEEM LIKE FIVE YEARS, BUT I THINK WE TOOK A ONE YEAR BREAK IN THERE. AND SO IT, UH, BUT I WAS DOING THE MENTAL CALCULATIONS. IT'S A LOT OF HOURS. UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE MEMBERS WHO REALLY DUG IN, READ THE OLD PLAN, READ THE NEW PLAN, UH, UM, AND WHAT AMAZED ME, UH, IT WAS AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU, UH, STAFF. I THINK YOU'RE FANTASTIC. UM, THIS IS A POWERFUL, DIVERSE, UM, THOUGHTFUL COMMITTEE. AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, UM, PEOPLE WEREN'T AFRAID TO THINK, YOU KNOW, SAY THEIR MIND. UM, AND, AND EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OCCASIONALLY A BARRAGE OF DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T COMMIT THOUGHT CRIMES, DON'T LOOK AT THIS, DON'T STUDY THIS. I THINK PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE WERE GENUINELY CURIOUS AND WERE INTERESTED IN FINDING, UH, BETTER APPROACHES AND AT LEAST HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THESE ISSUES. AND SO I, I, I ADMIRED THAT WE WEREN'T AFRAID TO TAKE ON THINGS THAT, UH, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE POPULATION WE'RE GONNA AGREE WITH. UH, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT NEEDED, THAT WERE IMPORTANT, THINGS IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY, [00:45:01] IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THEM. AND I THINK WE CAME OUT WITH SOME THEMES. OF COURSE, MY PHONE TURNED OFF 'CAUSE I PUT SOME OF THE THEMES IN HERE. THERE WE GO. UM, I THINK EARLY ON THE COMMITTEE REALLY FOCUSED, UM, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. LIVERMORE'S BLESSED TO HAVE A LOT OF JOBS, BLESSED TO HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING RELATIVE TO THE SMALLER TOWNS, UH, IN THE TRI-VALLEY. UH, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS, I THINK, IN THIS COMMITTEE ON MATCH THAT REALLY WE NEED, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE, UM, A LOT OF JOBS THAT DON'T PAY WELL ENOUGH TO AFFORD THE HOUSES IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. AND, UM, AND WE HAVE TO FIND THAT THAT MIDDLE GROUND WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ATTRACT ENOUGH ATTRACTIVE, WELL-PAYING JOBS THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M AN EMPLOYER, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF MY WORKERS DON'T LIVE HERE. UM, THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN LIVERMORE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUTING INTO LIVERMORE BECAUSE THEY LIVE WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD. AND SO I THINK SINCE, I THINK EARLY ON, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE MAYOR WAS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND BETWEEN HIS TERMS, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF FOCUS ON QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I THINK CONTINUING TO FOCUS ON THAT JOB HOUSING MATCH AND, AND NOT SOME KIND OF CONCEPTUAL BALANCE THEORY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. UM, I WAS, I WAS REALLY, UH, ALSO IN ADMIRATION OF HOW COMMITTED, UH, MANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE TO TRULY WORKING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I KNOW SOME OF THIS GOES INTO URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE AFFORDABILITY IN GENERAL IS, CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE. AND, AND I THINK THE, THIS COMMITTEE REALLY STEPPED FORWARD AND WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, NOT JUST RENA NUMBERS THAT FULFILL THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, BUT ACTUALLY SUPPORTING HOUSING THAT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ACTUALLY BE BUILT. NOT PROJECTS THAT JUST LOOK GOOD ON PAPER AND, AND FOCUSING ON THINGS. YOU KNOW, IS THERE A MARKET FOR THIS KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOUSING ARE THESE DENSITIES THAT WILL GET BUILT DOWN, UH, UH, COMMITTEES. I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED I THINK THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON GETTING WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS GOOD DENSITIES THAT COULD BE BUILT. AND THEN THEY KIND OF GOT WATERED DOWN A LITTLE BIT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WATERED DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE AT THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, I THINK, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE BRAVERY IF WE REALLY WANNA START BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKING ON THAT JOB HOUSING MATCH. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T BE, UH, WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF DENSITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I COME OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL BACKGROUND, UM, AND THE SAYING IN THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ONLY THING THAT PEOPLE HATE WORSE THAN SPRAWL, BECAUSE IT'S NICE HAVING A WALKABLE, COMMUNITIES WALKABLE DOWNTOWN. UH, I HATE SPRAWL. YOU KNOW, I CAME OUT OF DENVER. UH, THERE'S NOTHING BUT SPRAWL THERE. UM, AND THE INNER OF THAT CITY IS DECAYING. UM, BUT IF YOU'RE AGAINST SPRAWL, YOU HAVE TO BE IN SUPPORT OF DENSITY. YOU, YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY. YOU'VE GOTTA BE WILLING TO USE THE AVAILABLE WALKABLE LAND, THE LAND THAT'S CLOSE TO TRANSIT. UH, I, I SHARE, UM, MEL'S CONCERN ABOUT MIDTOWN. I THOUGHT A LOT OF GREAT WORK WENT INTO MIDTOWN. I THINK IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, A, A GREAT IDEA. OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT DON'T COME ALONG. UM, AND I THINK WHAT WAS EXCITING ABOUT MIDTOWN AND WHAT I AM A SUPPORTER OF, OF VALLEY LINK, UM, AT ONE POINT WE WERE WORKING ON BART TRANSIT, THEN IT WAS VALLEY LINK TRANSIT. IT'S EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE SHORTSIGHTEDNESS OF, OF THE, THE BART DIRECTORS IS THAT THEY CONTINUE TO JUST TRY TO ENHANCE A DECLINING RIDERSHIP BASE. THE ONLY FIX FOR BART, AND I RODE BART EVERY DAY TO WORK FOR EIGHT YEARS, NEVER ONCE DROVE INTO THE CITY. AND, UH, NOT, NOT DURING THOSE TIMES WHEN I WAS WORKING AND, UH, UH, IT'S A GREAT SYSTEM, BUT IT'S A BIG PEOPLE MOVER. AND THE ONLY FIX FOR BART. AND THE ONLY ANSWER TO WHAT VALLEY LINK OFFERED WAS IT WAS GOING TO BRING A TON OF NEW RIDERSHIP INTO THE BART SYSTEM. AND I THINK THE CURRENT PROVINCIAL BOARD IS JUST SO FOCUSED ON MANAGING A DECLINING RIDER BASE AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, VALLEY LINK, WHICH I THINK WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT STIMULUS FOR LIVERMORE. HOPEFULLY [00:50:01] IT STILL COMES AROUND OR IN SOME OTHER FORM, WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE RIDERSHIP AND BRING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE SYSTEM. AND, UH, AND I THINK THE ABILITY FOR US TO BE A PART OF THAT BY OFFERING TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES AND HOUSING, UH, WAS, WAS GOOD. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WORK WAS NOT, UM, ALL FOR NAUGH. AND, UH, AND I THINK LASTLY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I SPOKE A LOT ABOUT IT IN THE MEETINGS. UH, I THINK THIS GENERAL PLAN IS PROBABLY, UH, THE BEST. UH, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD IN AT LEAST SEVERAL 20 YEAR CYCLES IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY OF THE WINE COUNTRY. UH, UH, BECAUSE I'M WORKING ON A LITTLE WINE COUNTRY PROJECT WITH, UH, LVWA, I ACTUALLY REREAD THE ENTIRE PLAN AND MADE NOTES ON ALL THE AREAS WHERE THE CITY, UH, HAS ACTION PLANS OR TASKS OR THEY COULD CREATE THESE PLANS AND TASKS TO FURTHER THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES. THINGS ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THIS CITY, THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE OPEN SPACE, UM, THE ABILITY TO, FOR LOCAL COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT AND RETA RETAIN TALENT. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A RELATIVELY SMALL PIECE OF THE ECONOMIC PICTURE, UM, I THINK WE'RE A HUGE PART OF WHY PEOPLE CHOOSE TO COME AND LIVE HERE AND WORK IN TECH COMPANIES RATHER THAN IN AUSTIN, TEXAS OR THE DENVER TECH CENTER. AND, UH, SO I THINK THE CITY'S PLAN, UH, IS PROBABLY THE BEST WE'VE EVER SEEN IN TERMS OF, OF REAL ACTION STEPS AND REAL INVESTMENT. 'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN GREAT TALK, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ABSENCE OF INVESTMENT IN THE THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THE WINE COUNTRY SUSTAINABLE. AND, UH, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PLAN IS REALLY MOVING THINGS FORWARD. SO, UH, THANK YOU STAFF FOR LISTENING. THANK YOU PUBLIC FOR COMING AND, UH, UH, BEING WILLING TO SHARE YOUR IDEAS. AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, UH, THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE FREE THOUGHT AND, AND, UH, THE BELIEF IN SCIENCE AND THE BELIEF IN THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. 'CAUSE I THINK WE DID FIND A LOT OF COMMON GROUND EVEN AMONG OUR, OUR DIVERSE INTERESTS. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY WELL PUT. THANK YOU, DAVID. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SUMMARIZING, UH, WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND REALLY CALL CALLED OUT A COUPLE AREAS THAT WE'VE DONE WELL. AND MAYBE ONE AREA THAT IS EVOLVING SO QUICKLY IS REALLY LIKE THE MIDTOWN IS PROBABLY, UM, IN A WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE GENERAL PLAN WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE AND WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT FLEXIBILITY GIVEN REALLY THE CHANGING ENVIRONMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR A LOT OF THE COMMENTS. UM, MAYBE IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I LIKE TO CHIME IN WITH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'M GONNA CALL YOU OUT FOR HAVING A REALLY GOOD JOKE FROM LAST MEETING, AND I HOPE THIS IS A DEFINING MOMENT TO, FOR OUR LAST MEETING THAT WAS THIS GENERAL PLANE, MAY BE THE LAST TIME A HUMAN ACTUALLY WROTE IT. MM-HMM . , UH, OH, NICE TRANSITION. THAT WASN'T MINE . IT WAS, IT, MAYBE IT WAS. AND UM, YES, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PREDICT WHAT'S GONNA BE LIKE IN 20 YEARS AND HOW THIS NEXT CYCLE GENERAL PLANE WILL BE REALLY PUT TOGETHER. BUT I DO, UH, LIKE TO CALL OUT THAT DURING THE YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS WHEN I, WHEN WE WERE ABSENT, UM, THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED WAS HOW THE AI HAS REALLY IS, UH, PROVING TO BE A TOPIC THAT WE, WE ARE JUST REALLY HAVING TROUBLE CATCHING UP. SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN. I KNOW I BROUGHT IT UP LAST TIME AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO INVITE ANYONE TO MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION AND SEE WHETHER THERE IS A, UM, A NEED FOR, UH, THIS KINDA EMERGING TECHNOLOGY AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT CALLING OUT AI SPECIFICALLY TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT THAT HADN'T BEEN ADDRESSED CLEARLY IN THE GENERAL PLAN. 'CAUSE SINCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE YEAR AND YEAR THAT WE WERE ABSENT, UM, WE JUST REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND, UM, GIVEN THAT THE PLANE WILL CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, AND AGAIN, [00:55:01] I UNDERSTAND THAT WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE POLICY LANGUAGE, WE WANT THE POLICY LANGUAGE TO BE VERY GENERAL. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE, IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER THE FACT THAT WE JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT AI IN THIS ENTIRETY OF THE DRAFT IS CONCERNING TO ME. AND THE FACT THAT, UH, A LOT OF THE CORPORATIONS AND ENTITIES REALLY HAVE IDENTIFIED A LOT OF RISKS OF USING AI WITHOUT SOME, SOME SORT OF MITIGATION AND THE POLICY. UH, I JUST REALLY ALSO WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY OF LIVERMORE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING AI POLICY AND THE AI AI POLICY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY I READ IT, I'M SORRY, I, I DIDN'T STUDY CLOSE ENOUGH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF PASSIVE AND DOES ASSESSMENT, BUT REALLY DOESN'T TAKE THE PROACTIVE STAFF A STEP TO MITIGATE RISK. AND THE FACT THAT ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN DOES NOT EVEN MENTION AI ONCE IT WOULD BE MY, YOU KNOW, REGRET GOING FORWARD. SO I'D LIKE TO JUST, UH, REALLY THINK ABOUT PERHAPS, UH, IF WE WERE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THE PLAN, IS THERE ANY VALUE FOR US TO SAY, PLEASE CONSIDER THAT ADDITION CLEARLY AND DIRECTLY? YES, KRISTA? OH, UM, ARE YOU PUTTING, JUST PUTTING LIKE A GENERAL STATEMENT, UM, LANGUAGE IN IT SAYING DON'T USE AI AT ALL WHEN DESIGNING THE BUILDINGS OR THE STREETS OR MAKING WORDS OR, YEAH, I DON'T THINK, OR YOU WANT A WHOLE SECTION ON LIKE, OH, IF AI TAKES OVER, HOW ARE WE GONNA SUPPORT FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE? 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB. I THINK WE, WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS TO REALLY, UH, WORD THE POLICY, BUT THE IDEA AS A TOPIC, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY COULD WORDSMITH A POLICY GOOD ENOUGH. BUT THE TOPIC ITSELF, AND FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IN SOME LANGUAGES, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FOR ANYONE TO WORDSMITH. LET ME GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES. SAY 10 YEARS AGO, UM, I THINK SOMEWHERE ON THE EAST COAST, UH, A CITY, UH, BOUGHT A SOFTWARE TO DECIDE WHERE TO SEND THE PATROL CARS TO THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN THEY REALIZED THAT THAT BLACK BOX OR, YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE ALGORITHM WASN'T RELEASED, STUDIED SO AND SO, SO SOMETIMES THESE KIND OF BLACK BOX IN, YOU KNOW, AI, UH, BIAS, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT KNOWN TO, TO US. SO SOMETIMES THE CITY REALLY SHOULD MITIGATE THESE KIND OF RISKS, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO BIAS IN, UH, ALGORITHM RELATED TO PRIVACY OR EVEN JUST RE YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAY ERODE HUMAN AGENCY, YOU KNOW, AGENCIES. SO NOT TO WORDSMITH, BUT THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE GENERAL PLAN DOES NOT BRING THAT UP REALLY CONCERNS ME. GO AHEAD. WELL, I, I ACTUALLY HAVE A VERY SIMILAR QUE I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU ARE WANTING TO PUT IN THERE. LIKE PUT IT, YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY PUT A POLICY TO BE CONSIDERED OF AI. LIKE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND STAFF, CORRECT ME, I'M WRONG, THIS IS REALLY MORE FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT LIKE CITY MANAGEMENT STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE BUYING SOFTWARE OR SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT POLICIES THAT IS OUTSIDE THIS DOCUMENT AND IS MANAGED BY CITY STAFF, YOU KNOW, MORE PARTICULARLY THE PERSON IN THE ROOM, UH, WHO JUST GRABBED THE MIC HAS A BETTER ANSWER FOR THAT ONE, RIGHT? LIKE POLICE SOFTWARE, UM, MAINTENANCE SOFTWARE. THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT THIS DOCUMENT'S FOR. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF WONDERING WHAT SPECIFICS YOU'RE TRYING TO RIGHT. GET TOWARDS. YES. LET ME CLARIFY. I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT REALLY THE SCOPE OF THIS THOUGHT, AND YOU CAN HELP ME REALLY, YOU KNOW, CRYSTALLIZE THE SCOPE AS WELL. THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, A POLICY THAT GOVERNS EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS THERE. IF YOU LOOK UP EMERGING TECHNOLOGY, THERE'S A POLICY IN THE GENERAL PLANE, SO IT IS ALREADY THERE, BUT IT'S VERY VAGUE RIGHT NOW. IT JUST TALKS ABOUT EMERGING TECHNOLOGY. SO I'M HOPING TO MAKE IT, UM, A LITTLE BIT INCLUSIVE OF, UH, TECHNOLOGIES SUCH AS AI. YEAH, I THINK, UM, IN, IN THIS, IN A SIMILAR FASHION OF, UH, UH, OR REGARDING CLIMATE CHANGE FOR, FOR INSTANCE, CLIMATE CHANGE WAS NOT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS [01:00:01] NOT IN THE PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE EFFECTS OF IT ARE KIND OF RECENT. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IS RECENT. SO NOW IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S AI. SO WHERE, WHERE IT IS NOW, WHERE IT WILL LEAD, WE NOBODY KNOWS, BUT I DO AGREE THAT, UM, SOME, UH, SOME KIND OF, UM, ATTENTION, UM, SHOULD BE, UH, THAT IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. SO I AGREE. SO, UM, THIS IS, WHAT AM I, WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS IS A QUESTION, UM, KIND OF A, SO I SIT ON, UM, I'VE, I SAT ON THE BOARD FOR LDI, UM, AND WE, ONE OF THE PROJECTS WE TOOK OVER WAS, UH, COMPLETELY REDOING THE BYLAWS. SO I'M TRYING TO CALL, I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING FOR MYSELF. UM, SO THIS IS JUST HOW I'M PHRASING IT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE TO ME, THE, SO IN DOING THE, THE, THE BYLAWS FOR LDI, UM, WE ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, ALSO CREATED WHAT'S CALLED A POLICY DOCUMENT. UM, AND THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT POLICY DOCUMENT WAS TO ALLOW THINGS TO EXIST IN A LESS RESTRICTIVE AND MORE FLUID CAPACITY OUTSIDE OF THE BYLAWS. UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH MAKES SENSE. UM, AND PARTICULARLY THERE WERE CERTAIN BULLET POINTS, UM, THAT WOULD LIVE IN THAT POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE MAYBE NEWER, UM, OR WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE WITH TO MAKE AS RE, YOU KNOW, UM, AS, AS RIGID, UM, AS THE BYLAWS MIGHT CONSTITUTE. SO WE PUT THEM IN THE PO IN THE POLICY DOCUMENT, UM, WITH THE ABILITY TO AMEND THOSE POLICY, YOU KNOW, POLICIES AT ANY TIME, UM, AND PUT 'EM INTO THE BYLAWS. I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR THE, FOR THE GENERAL PLANNING, UH, FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT WE'VE JUST DONE HERE. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION TO THE CITY, I GUESS, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE VERBIAGE IN THE POLICY THAT EXISTS, UM, RELATIVE TO A THAT YOU, THAT YOU SENT OVER EARLIER TODAY, IS THERE ANY SIMILARITIES IN HOW THOSE TWO, UM, PIECES OF INFORMATION EXIST ALONGSIDE ONE ANOTHER? UM, 'CAUSE THAT, AS I TRY AND UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS FRESH TOPIC THAT WE'RE JUST BRINGING UP TODAY, THAT'S LIKE THE, BECAUSE IT EXISTS, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS ABLE TO LIKE, WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. MAYBE THIS MIGHT HELP US GET THERE. HELP ME GET THERE. SELFISHLY, AM I, AM I, AM I CLOSE? AM I, IS THERE, I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. SO, UM, YOUR GENERAL PLAN POLICY, AS JOANNA POINTED OUT, IS YOUR HIGH, HIGH, LONG RANGE, LONG-TERM POLICY, DOCUMENTED GUIDES. EVERYTHING WE DO, WE USE POLICY INTERCHANGEABLY. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, IS A CITY POLICY ON HOW STAFF AND ELECTEDS AND APPOINTED MEMBERS, UM, USE AI. AND SO THAT IS, IT DOESN'T FIT INTO THE GENERAL PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A IMPLEMENTING DOCUMENT. IT HELPS GUIDE, UM, HOW WE USE NEW TECHNOLOGY. SO IF THE POLICY IS, YOU KNOW, USE POLICY, USE, UH, NEW TECHNOLOGIES RESPONSIBLY, THIS POLICY DOCUMENT THAT SITS APART FROM THE GENERAL PLAN IS IMPLEMENTING THAT AND PROVIDES MORE DETAILS AND GUIDANCE PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS FOR HOW WE'D GO ABOUT DOING THAT. DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. OKAY. YEAH. I WOULD JUST ADD THAT FROM A CITY MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AI AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT HUMANS ARE INVOLVED IN THE FINAL DECISION MAKING PROCESS AT ALL TIMES AND ARE EVALUATING THE DATA AND THE RELIABILITY AND VI RELIABILITY OF THE DATA, RIGHT? AND SO THE WAY WE USE AI AS EVOLVING RIGHT NOW, AND I THINK OUR POLICIES ARE GONNA BE CONTINUALLY EVOLVING PROBABLY, UH, IN THE YEARS AHEAD AS WE, AS WE TRY TO THINK ABOUT RESPONSIBLE USE, AND WE TRY TO LOOK AHEAD TO HOW WE MAY NEED TO PROTECT, UH, YOU KNOW, CITY, UH, DATA AND RESOURCES, ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. UH, IT'S EVOLVING QUICKLY, RIGHT? SO TO ANDY'S POINT, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE GENERAL PLAN, IT WOULD BE A BIG PICTURE DIRECTION. AND THIS MORE, UH, CONSISTENTLY EVOLVING POLICY, YOU KNOW, MIGHT CHANGE MORE THAN ONCE EACH YEAR AT THIS POINT BASED ON, ON THE SPEED OF CHANGE. SO, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT. YEAH, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S A BIG ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, I USE AI FIVE OR SIX TIMES A DAY. UM, I, I THINK YOU, YOU ALMOST NEED A BIG BLUE SKY SESSION WITH SOME REALLY SMART PEOPLE IN THE THE ROOM BECAUSE USING AI IN ITS DISPLACEMENT OF WORKERS, [01:05:01] AND WITHOUT A DOUBT, I'VE, I'VE GOT ONE AND A HALF MARKETING PEOPLE THAT USE AI CONSTANTLY, AND BACK WHEN I WAS COMING UP THROUGH PROCTER AND GAMBLE AND ADVERTISING IT, IT TOOK SIX PEOPLE TO DO WHAT ONE AND A HALF PEOPLE DO. UM, IT'S JUST, IT, IT, IT, IT CAN DO SOME THINGS AND I KNOW THAT'S GONNA CAUSE DISPLACEMENT, BUT I THINK FROM A GENERAL PLAN PERSPECTIVE, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PLEASANTON MAYOR'S SPEECH THE OTHER DAY SAYING IT, HE NEEDS $60 MILLION A YEAR TO SUPPORT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THEY'RE ONLY SPENDING 19, IF I HAVE THE, THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY. UM, IF, IF YOU WANNA WEAVE AI INTO THE, INTO THE GENERAL PLAN, IT WOULD BE, SOME OF THESE THINGS IS LIKE, CAN AI BE USED? UM, IN THAT CASE WITH AI, MAYBE NINETEEN'S ALL YOU NEED, IF YOU CAN DETECT WHAT SYSTEMS ARE GONNA FAIL MOST LIKELY. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE JUST KIND OF AGE THEM OUT ON AVERAGES AND SAY, OKAY, I BETTER REPLACE THIS SEWER. AND THEN, WELL, THAT ONE BROKE TWO YEARS EARLIER THAN WE THOUGHT. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN WE REPLACED THE OTHER ONE, THAT ONE COULD'VE GONE 20 MORE YEARS. UM, ARE THERE WAYS OF USING AI, UH, NOT ITS IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND JOBS AND THINGS, BUT JUST REALLY TO HELP THE CITY BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH ITS SPENDING AND, AND BETTER DETECTION? 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE FOR LIVERMORE, 'CAUSE I JUST HEARD THE JACK B'S SPEECH, BUT, UM, IT, IT'S GOTTA BE AN EVEN BIGGER NUMBER 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE A LARGER AND MORE, YOU KNOW, SPREAD OUT CITY. UM, AND MAYBE THERE ARE AREAS THROUGHOUT THE PLAN WHERE YOU CAN START SAYING, YEAH, WE SHOULD BE USING AI TO HELP THE CITY BETTER ANTICIPATE AND, AND MANAGE ITS COSTS. A UM, SO I DID A SEARCH AND THERE WERE 15 PLACES WHERE EMERGING TECH TECHNOLOGIES SORT OF COMES AND, AND, AND, AND SO IT'S THERE IN A GENERAL SENSE, OFTENTIMES IN TERMS OF, OF TRANSPORTATION, LIKE, UH, AND, AND AI BASICALLY, UH, AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES IS, IS A MANIFESTATION OF, OF AI. I, I GUESS THE, THE, THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE USE OF, OF AI TO DO JOBS, UM, THERE ARE CERTAINLY SECURITY AND, AND, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A GENERAL PLAN ISSUE. UM, I I WOULD GO SAY, IF WE GO BACK TWO GENERATIONS AGO, 40 YEARS AGO, WAS THERE SOMETHING IN THE GENERAL PLAN ABOUT THE USE OF COMPUTERS? AND I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. SO, UM, I I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NOT OPPOSED BY ANY MEANS TO HAVING SOME SORT OF A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT ALL SYSTEMS SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF PEOPLE. I MEAN, OO OBVIOUSLY IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE IT'S, UM, MAY, MAYBE SOMETIMES THE OBVIOUS HAS TO BE STATED, BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE POINT I, I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE? UM, AND, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT A STATEMENT IN UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PROBLEM YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. THAT'S REALLY, AT FIRST I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE BE, UM, UH, SAYING THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE, UH, DATA CENTERS CITED EAST OF GREENVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S KIND OF A SILLY THING, BUT, BUT THE POINT IS THAT, UM, DON'T START THE RUMOR NO, BUT, BUT, BUT THE POINT, THE, THE POINT IS THAT AI, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THESE, THERE'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THERE'S THE WORKERS DEVELOPING IT, THERE'S THE APPLICATION THAT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AN ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF STUFF. AND, AND I THINK THE, THE QUESTION IS WHAT OF ANY OF THAT SPECTRUM IS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR AI RATHER THAN JUST, EXCEPT FOR JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL ADD ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT FOR CONTEXT. TO YOUR POINT, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM, THE GENERAL PLAN IS, IS NOT REALLY THE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION OF THE CITY. RIGHT? AND SO THAT IS, UM, THAT IS SORT OF MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT OUR, OUR POLICY IS. AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED AGAIN, IF THAT POLICY CHANGES AGAIN, MULTIPLE TIMES AROUND AI. I, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING, IT WOULD, IT SHOULD PAN BACK A LITTLE BIT, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YOU COULD PAN BACK A LITTLE BIT PERHAPS AND NOT BE SO FOCUSED ON WHICH TOOL WE'RE USING OR EXACTLY HOW WE'RE USING IT. BUT, UM, UH, I KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD TURN IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE JUST WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE, THAT GENERAL PLAN ISN'T REALLY THE PLACE FOR THE, THE DAY TO DAY, YOU KNOW, HOW THE POLICE OFFICERS DO THEIR JOBS OR HOW THE ECONOMISTS EVALUATE THINGS, ET CETERA. ONE MORE LITTLE BIT, BUILDING OFF OF WHAT COMMITTEE MEMBER KENT SAID [01:10:01] IN HIS EXAMPLE IS JUST THESE, THESE POLICY STATEMENTS IN THE GENERAL PLAN HELP GUIDE DECISION MAKING. AND SO IN PRACTICE, IF THERE WAS A TOOL AVAILABLE THAT MADE, UM, MONITORING AND TRACKING AND REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE AND THE DECISION TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WAS PRESENTED, WE WOULD LOOK TO THE GENERAL PLAN. AND THE GENERAL PLAN WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY, USE I AI TO DO THESE THINGS. IT WOULD SAY, DO I HAVE A POLICY THAT SUPPORTS THE EFFICIENT USE OF TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE INFRASTRUCTURE? DO I HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOY, UH, EFFICIENT MEANS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND, AND THAT IS IN THE GENERAL PLAN. SO THAT'S HOW WE PUT IT INTO PRACTICE. UM, IS THERE SOMETHING, OH, GO AHEAD. OH, I WAS JUST SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE'S PRIVACY? BECAUSE THAT'S AT LEAST MY BIGGEST CONCERN, NO CAMERAS AND HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT IN LIVING HOMES. , I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THE GENERAL PLAN DOESN'T REALLY WARRANT LANGUAGE TO PROTECT PERSONAL PRIVACY. I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE DOWN THE LINE, BUT YEAH, I GUESS WE CAN INCLUDE THAT TOO. IF WE HAD LICENSE PLATE LEADERS, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT PRIVACY, ABOUT DATA STORAGE, RIGHT? BUT YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL PRI PRIVACY IS NOT REALLY THE LEVEL AT WHICH WE REGULATE. WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE CITY GOVERNMENT, EVERYTHING WE DO IS PUBLIC AND IT ALL GETS RELEASED TO EVERYBODY. SO, UM, I MEAN, WE HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS AROUND THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, UM, THE, THE IDEA IS THAT WE'RE OPERATING, UH, HERE IN THE OPEN, WE'RE INVITING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WE'RE SHARING ALL OF OUR DATA ANALYSIS. UM, AND SO IT PROBABLY WOULD BE MORE AT THE STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT WAS, UM, THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER NOT HAVING A GENERAL PLAN FOR SO MANY YEARS AND REVISIT IT IN LESS AMOUNT OF YEARS WITH THE DRASTIC CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. UM, OR PUT SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE IN THERE SAYING THAT LIKE, IF WE NOTICE LIKE SO MUCH TECHNOLOGICAL CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THE, UM, GENERAL PLAN TO REFLECT THE CHANGES, THEN NEW MEETINGS CAN COME UP. LIKE YOU CAN MAYBE HAVE YOUR 20 YEAR CYCLE, BUT IF SOMETHING CHANGES SO MUCH IN LIKE THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS, THEN KIND OF PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO MEET SOONER THAN THE END OF THE CYCLE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY REALLY QUICK, IT FEELS LIKE, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY LIKE VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC TO YOU AND A HOT TOPIC, BUT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY PLACE FOR IT. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO LIKE NAME WHERE IT WOULD GO. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE NECESSARILY IDENTIFYING A PLACE. I MEAN, AGAIN, YEAH, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY AI IS HERE AND IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE, AND I USE IT ALL DAY EVERY DAY, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD APPLY IN AT THE GENERAL PLAN LEVEL. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S STEPPED UP TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT EITHER. SO MAKE MAY, MAYBE WE COULD JUST MOVE ON. SO ARE YOU GONNA PUT FORTH A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY OR THE CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AI AS AN ELEMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN? I, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, RIGHT, RIGHT. I, AGAIN, THE CONSENSUS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND. AND IF, IF THE [01:15:47] OR ANDY'S POINT ISNT ALREADY IN THERE, BECAUSE IT JUST REFERS TO TECHNOLOGY, WELL, IT SAYS EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES AROUND TRANSPORTATION, THE TECH, THERE'S THE, IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION PART, AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS ZONING FOR INDUSTRIAL SPACE FOR EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES. YEAH. THAT'S ALL THE GENERAL PLAN TALKS ABOUT. MM-HMM . I MEAN, UNLESS YOU WANNA GET SPECIFIC WITH WHAT YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH AND PUT THAT CONCERN IN THE DOCUMENT, WE SHOULD JUST MOVE ON. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I, SO THAT'S ONE VIBE CHECK. SO ANYBODY, IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN ME. OKAY. I'M OKAY TOO AND MEET IN FIVE YEARS, BUT NOT IN 20 YEARS. OKAY. THAT OR WHATEVER THE TIME. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I, YEAH. ALSO, IT'S LIKE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS DOING LIKE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLANS, SO IT'S LIKE, CORRECT. YEAH. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S LIKE A MAJOR EMERGENCE OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT WIPES OUT A THIRD OF THE WORKFORCE IN LIVERMORE AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE THE LAB BECAUSE OF AI, AND IT'S LIKE PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS, WHATEVER. THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE OF LIKE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT IT'S LIKE, ABSOLUTELY. SO I THINK I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND ACTUAL ACTIONABLE DECISIONS. I JUST WANT THE COMMITTEE TO, UM, REALLY MM-HMM . KNOW WHAT, UH, HOW THIS PLAN MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, A PLACE TO CONTINUE. WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THERE. I JUST DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE HERE. YES, TOTALLY COMES DOWN TO I, I UNDERSTAND. I, I RECOGNIZE THAT I AM TRYING NOT TO IMPOSE MY VIEW. OKAY. SO THE VIBE CHECK IS DONE, , , AND NO ONE'S HANDS ARE SHAKING. SO, NO, THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I I JUST REALLY WANTED TO BRING FORTH THIS DISCUSSION AND THEN I FEEL THAT WE'VE DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE. UH, I HOPE THAT'S, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK, UH, AS MY INTENT. UH, SO WE ARE HOPING, UM, TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THIS MOTION, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I SAY. OKAY. SO WE HOPE TO HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE GENERAL PLANE. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE. OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. DEBBIE GOT THAT SECOND BUNCH OF PEOPLE. OKAY. GIVE, YEAH. OKAY. SO DEBBIE, WOULD YOU HELP US CALL ROLL. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I HAVE THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO, UM, APPROVE, UH, RECOMMEND MOVING THE PLAN FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL AS IS FOR ADOPTION. AND DO WE HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBER ALEXI AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BCHA AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM. UM, THE WAY YOU READ IT, I WOULD LIKE TO, IS I THOUGHT THAT THE COMMENTS BEFORE ANYTHING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY, UH, AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE THE COMMENT? WELL, I, SO, SO CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF PROCEDURE, CERTAINLY THE DOCUMENT GOES FORWARD, BUT IT GOES FORWARD WITH THE COMMENTS OF ALL THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE FOR FUTURE BODIES TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER. UM, UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION, WE HAVE A SECOND. UM, I WELCOME A, A DIFFERENT MOTION IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, YOU HAVE TO FINISH THIS, WE HAVE TO FINISH THIS, BUT YOU PROPOSE A FRIENDLY, UH, MOTION, WHICH THEN [01:20:01] THE ORIGINAL PERSON CAN ACCEPT AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN. I, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S POLICY IN GENERAL IS THAT IF YOU'VE PARTICIPATED IN THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU SHOULD NOT ABSTAIN, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO AN AMENDING MOTION IF THERE'S PARTICULAR CONTENT THAT YOU WANNA FORWARD TO THE, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL. WELL, I, I THINK ALL THE S THAT WERE MADE HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A FRIENDLY MOTION TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE COMMENTARY TODAY INTO THE CURRENT MOTION THAT WE'RE DOING. OKAY. FORWARD IT TO THE COMMISSION. OKAY. UH, GENTLEMAN COMMISSION. YEAH. GENTLEMEN, THAT'S DEFERRED TO CATHERINE. IF THERE'S AN AMENDED MOTION OR FRIENDLY MOTION TO, UH, WHO MADE THE MOTION? UH, ISSA MADE THE FRIENDLY MOTION. NO. WHO MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION? UH, EILE. YEAH, SO CATHERINE WILL CORRECT ME, BUT I THINK PART OF THE, THE COMMENT CONVERSATION IS THERE, MUCH LIKE YOUR AI DISCUSSION, THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSENSUS ON THE FACT THAT THE COMMENTS PROVIDED SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT. SO WE HEARD FROM INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THOSE NEED TO BE CARRIED FORWARD. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AN AMENDING MOTION AND THE ORIGINAL MOTIONS NEED TO ACCEPT THAT. I DO. OKAY. A ACCEPT YOUR OWN . NO, IT WAS ACE. I PROPOSE IT A FRIENDLY, I, YES. I, I, I I ACCEPT HIS, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE PROCEED? OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. AND SO LET ME BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE AMENDING. CAN WE BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE AMENDING? CAN SOMEONE GIVE US THE VERBIAGE? I PROPOSE THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION OF ALONG WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, THEIR DISCUSSION CORPORATION. THANK YOU. AND DO WE NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC THAN JUST THAT? DO WE NEED TO SAY WHAT THE COMMENTS WERE AND ALL THAT? GOD, I, SO WE WOULD JUST BE FORWARDING, WE TYPICALLY DON'T TAKE DETAILED MINUTES, BUT WE HAVE NOTES. SO WE WOULD SUMMARIZE THE, THE FEEDBACK OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE ARE NOT TAKING, UH, THE COMMITTEE HAS NOT VOTED ON ANY PARTICULAR ACTIONS OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, SO WE WOULD JUST BE PROVIDING THOSE COMMENTS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY. BE VOTING ON THIS AMENDED, UH, MOTION WITH ONLY THE LANGUAGE THAT ALL THE COMMENTS AND DISCUSSIONS WILL BE FORWARDED WITHOUT FURTHER SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC COMMENTS. DOES THAT SATISFY THE AMENDED MOTION? OKAY. SO THE, SO WHO DID THE AMENDED MOTION? ASA DID, AND DO WE NEED A SECOND FOR THAT? ORIGINAL? OKAY. SO SOMEBODY WHO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHO, WHO APPROVED IT. OKAY. ALAN APPROVED IT. IT WAS HER MOTION. YES, IT WAS HER MOTION. SECOND, IT WAS ALAN'S MOTION. OKAY. SO WHAT WE HAVE LAN'S OKAY. YES. THE CHAIRPERSON. WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, AND CORRECT ME CATHERINE IF I'M WRONG, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBER PETE MADE THE ORIGINAL MOTION SECONDED BY COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM, COMMITTEE MEMBER STROUT MADE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY BOTH THE FIRST AND THE SECOND TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT. AND SO WHAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON NOW WILL BE A RECOMMENDED ADOPTION OF THE DRAFT LIVERMORE GENERAL PLAN 2045, WITH A SUMMARY OF THE COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION FROM TODAY'S MEETING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT TO ME. ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. SO WE RESTART? YES. THE ROLL CALL PLEASE. OKAY. SO ANY, SO WE ARE GONNA RESTART THE ROLL CALL. ANY ADDITIONAL FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS SHOULD COME NOW? NO, NO, LET'S GO. LET'S GO. OKAY. COMMITTEE MEMBER ALEXI AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BCHA AYE. COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BURNHAM AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER CHONG AYE. COMMITTEE MEMBER HALVERSON. NO. COMMITTEE MEMBER KENT. YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER? UH, PETE. COMMITTEE MEMBER VOLTA? YES. COMMITTEE MEMBER STROUT? [01:25:01] YES. VICE CHAIR TROOP MOSSI. YEAH. AND CHAIRPERSON CHANG? YES. MOTION PASSES. Q. UM, THANK YOU. UM, SO THAT WRAPS UP OUR FIVE YEAR MINUS ONE YEAR PROCESS OF RECOMMENDING THE FINAL ADOPTION, THE FINAL DRAFT, GENERAL PLAN 2025. I WANNA CONGRATULATE EVERYONE FOR REALLY PUTTING FORWARD ALL YOUR IDEAS, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS, DESCENDING OR CONSENTING OPINIONS. I PREACH THEM ALL. AND, UM, LET'S SEE. I THINK I CAN JOIN THE MEETING. YEAH. OH MY GOSH, THIS IS THE LAST TIME, SORRY, UH, THAT I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING, SO PLEASE REMAIN HERE IF YOU HAVE TIME. I BELIEVE THE SIT THE STAFF, UH, AND THE PROJECT TEAM HAVE PREPARED SOMETHING FOR A SMALL CELEBRATION. AND, UM, SO WE HAVE, UH, WE STARTED WITH 19 MEMBERS AND WE ARE NOW 12 MEMBERS STRONG. SO, YES. AND, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH EVERYONE AND THANK YOU, DEBBIE, FOR BRINGING US FULL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND I, ON A PERSONAL NOTE, WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL AS WELL. IT HAS BEEN SUCH A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH ALL OF YOU. I STARTED NOT LONG AFTER I STARTED WITH THE CITY, SO, UM, I GREW UP WITH ALL OF YOU HERE. UM, WE STARTED OCTOBER 13TH, UH, 2021, AND WE'VE HELD 36 MEETINGS. SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY. I AM GOING TO GO GET THE CART AND BRING SOME THINGS OUT SO THAT WE CAN TOAST EACH OTHER. YEAH. AND WHILE WE HAVE, UH, I KNOW, I, I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE THAT CHAIRPERSON CHANG, UM, GOT TO CONCLUDE THIS. UM, PLEASE DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED TO STAY. I, I WROTE SOMETHING AND AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR THIS FIVE YEAR COMMITTEE, I'M GONNA READ IT WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR IT OR NOT. SO, UM, IT'S, YEAH, GRAMMARLY SAYS IT'S ONLY TWO MINUTES, SO IT'LL BE QUICK. BUT, UM, I STILL JUST WANTED TO REFLECT ON MY EXPERIENCE SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE. UM, AS EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, WE SAID A FEW TIMES WE STARTED IN 2021. UM, AND WHILE IT'S LASTED LONGER THAN ALL OF US ASSUMED, I'M, I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE SPENT MY TIME IN THIS ROOM WITH YOU ALL. UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, UM, I'VE MET MANY NEW PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE AS FIRED UP AS THIS CITY AS, AS I AM. UM, AND I'VE LEARNED A LOT AS WELL. UM, AND WHILE WE MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE AGREED ON THINGS, UM, I'M GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN A TOWN, WILLING TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION, UM, YOU KNOW, POINT BLANK. UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE HARDEST PART, TRULY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO MY FELLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS DOCUMENT. UM, I HAD A MOMENT WITH MYSELF THIS MORNING TO SIMPLY SAY I'M PROUD OF MYSELF AND, UH, YOU SHOULD BE TOO. WE DID IT. UM, THE, THE S**T MATTERS FOR REAL. UM, SO , WE LIVE IN A TOWN WITH RICH HISTORY, PARTICULARLY VIBRANCY THAT, YOU KNOW, A PARTICULAR VIBRANCY THAT DEFINES OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT'S HARD TO FIND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT HARD TO FIND A FOURTH AND FIFTH, UM, YOU KNOW, GENERATION LIVER, YOU KNOW, LIVERMORE RESIDENT AT ANY GIVEN DAY. UM, THAT GENERATIONAL RECOGNITION IS REALLY INSPIRING AND, UH, IT'S SOMETHING I STRIVE FOR. SO, UM, AND WHILE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY YEARS AHEAD OF ME TO FINISH DEFINING WHAT THAT MARK, YOU KNOW, MEANS ON THIS COMMUNITY, I WON'T BE BASHFUL AND RECOGNIZING THE WORK WE JUST DID HERE. UM, THIS, THIS MATTERS. THIS IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LEGACY IN MANY FORMS. SO, LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOURSELF. UM, YOU SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, LOVE TO THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, WHO'VE BECOME REGULARS, , UM, YOUR PRESENCE AND PARTICIPATION HAS BEEN GROUNDING. UM, I KNOW WE LOST SOME OF THEM, BUT, UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HELPED ME REMEMBER THAT, UH, MY VOICE IS A REFLECTION OF YOU ALL IN THIS ROOM. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, AND TO OUR CITY STAFF, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS DO WITH ALL THIS FREE TIME NOW. UM, BUT FOR REAL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS YOU PUT INTO THIS PROJECT. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M LUCKY TO SAY THAT I GOT TO EXPERIENCE THIS AND I AL ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT LIKE, WE GOT TO EXPERIENCE THIS, THIS IS YOUR JOB EVERY DAY. YOU'RE GONNA GO HOME AND YOU'RE GONNA THINK ABOUT THIS AND YOU'RE GONNA WAKE UP AND DO IT AGAIN TOMORROW IN, IN MORE ROOMS. SO, UM, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, UM, WE JUST APPRECIATE YOU COMING ENGAGED, SHOWING UP EVERY DAY, UM, AND HELPING US THROUGH THIS, THROUGH ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. 'CAUSE WE ASKED A LOT, UM, AND YOU GUYS BEARED WITH US AND, AND YOU SHOWED UP. SO EASIER SAID THAN DONE. UM, AND I WANT TO COMMEND YEAH. UM, BEING PRESENT. SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I'LL CLOSE ON THIS. IT'S, IT'S HARD NOT TO SEE AND FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD EVERY DAY. TIMES ARE ROUGH AND IRONICALLY BETTER THAN EVER, UM, IN ITS COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS THAT KEEP ME LIFTED. SO, UM, SOMETHING'S FESTERING HERE IN LIVERMORE THAT'S DIFFERENT. UM, AND I BELIEVE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS THAT. SO WHAT WE ARE WRAPPING UP HERE TONIGHT, AGAIN, IT MATTERS AND I'M HONORED TO BEEN A PART OF IT. SO POP THAT APPLE CIDER AND LET'S GET JIGGY. SO, THANK YOU. THAT WAS SO SWEET. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.