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          [1. CALL TO ORDER ]
          [00:00:03]
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL NOW START THIS MEETING AT 4 32. 
          A LITTLE COOL. 
          ROLL . 
          WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU CAN JUST ANSWER I TO INDICATE THAT YOU ARE PRESENT. 
          COMMISSIONER BABAR AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER DAL AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER GUZMAN AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER KAEGY. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER ELAINE. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER MILDER. 
          AYE. 
          COMMISSIONER SANE IS ABSENT FOR THE RECORD. 
          VICE CHAIR HURST AYE. 
          AND CHAIR CUSTODIO. 
          AYE. 
          ALL. 
          WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE OPEN FORUM. 
          HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SORRY, NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEEN RECEIVED. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE THE OPEN FORUM. 
          WE WILL 
          [4. CONSENT CALENDAR ]
MOVE ALONG TO ITEM 4.1, UM, WHICH IS MOVING TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. 
          WE HAVE ONE ITEM. 
          THIS MEETING, THE APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY'S MINUTES. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? NO. 
          GREAT. 
          , HAS THERE BEEN ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT'S BEEN RECEIVED. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON ITEM OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING MINUTES? GROOVY. 
          I THINK WE'RE, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? SECOND. 
          ANY SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES. 
          WE'LL CLOSE THIS 
          [5. MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION ]
ITEM AND MOVE FORWARD TO THE MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 
          SO FIRST STEP ON MATTERS OF CONSIDERATION IS ITEM 5.1, A REPORT ON OUR AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? UH, YES THERE IS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR CUSTODIAL. 
          SO THIS INFORMATION IS AN INFORMATION, OR THIS ITEM IS AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE ON THE COMMISSIONER'S CURRENT AD HOC COMMITTEES. 
          AS PER COMMISSIONER'S REQUEST. 
          STAFF PERIODICALLY PROVIDES A, AN UPDATE OF ACTIVE COMMITTEES FOR TRANSPARENCY AND RECORD KEEPING. 
          UM, THE ATTACHED LIST IN YOUR PACKET, UM, AND DISPLAYED, UH, INCLUDE ALL OF THE CURRENT COMMITTEES ESTABLISHED IN 2025 AND 2026. 
          UM, THESE COMMITTEES AS A REMINDER, SUPPORT KEY COMMISSION FUNCTIONS INCLUDING GRANT REVIEWS, ART AWARDS, POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AND SPECIAL PROJECTS SUCH AS POET LAUREATE AND PUBLIC ART INITIATIVES. 
          EACH COMMISSION IS, OR COMMITTEE IS COMPOSED OF FEWER THAN A QUORUM AND BRINGS FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE FULL COMMISSION. 
          UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THERE'S NO ACTION TO TAKE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING WE NAMED COMMISSIONER AS CHAIR FOR THE PUBLIC LAUREATE. 
          THAT, THAT SHE'S OKAY WITH THAT? YES. 
          THANK YOU, KATHLEEN? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I FIRST THINK THAT WHILE I TOLD MM-HMM . 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS SIDE? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEEN RECEIVED. 
          GREAT. 
          WITH THAT I WILL PULL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE ANY ACTUAL DISCUSSION BESIDES THE ONE COMMENT? NO. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JUST WANNA THANK MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER GOSMAN. 
          WE DID A LOT IN ALL THOSE COMMITTEES. 
          YOU GOTTA KEEPING 'EM STRAIGHT IS AND WHO'S THE CHAIR AND WHO'S ON IT AND WHAT IT IS. 
          VERY HELPFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? GREAT. 
          WE'LL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, THERE'S NO MOTION NECESSARY HERE. 
          MOVING ALONG TO ITEM 5.2, A REPORT ON THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PUBLIC ART FUND BUDGET. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? YES. 
          CHAIR. 
          COME UP HERE FOR THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS ONE. 
          TESTING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS ESTABLISHED THROUGH THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARCH 2026 APPROVED WORK PLAN, OUR GOAL IS TO BRING THE BUDGET BACK TO THE COMMISSION EVERY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. 
          JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, UM, HOW OUR SPEND IS LOOKING. 
          BASICALLY, HOW OUR EXPENDITURES ARE TRENDING. 
          UM, ALSO TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR FOR US TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AROUND SHIFTING, ADJUSTING THE BUDGET AS NEEDED. 
          THE PRIMARY TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE RELATED TO THE BUDGET WOULD BE IF WE WERE GOING TO, UM, SPEND MORE THAN WHAT THE TOTAL BUDGET IS, UM, SET TO BE FOR THIS 
          [00:05:01]
CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. 
          WE'RE IN 25, 26, AND THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. 
          IF THERE IS A NEED TO MAYBE SHIFT DOLLARS FROM ONE FUND TO ANOTHER, WE CAN GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY, UM, ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. 
          WE CAN DO THAT ANYTIME. 
          AND THEN IF WE ACTUALLY GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO IT, OF COURSE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO AGENDIZE IT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          SO HERE'S OUR PICTURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26. 
          NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU. 
          THERE ARE SOME, UH, NEW ACTUAL EXPENDITURES 'CAUSE WE'VE DOLED OUT SOME OF THAT GRANT MONEY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. 
          BUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE SPEND RELATED TO GRANTS HASN'T CHANGED. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL, UH, RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS ABOUT $3,600 OVER WHAT WE BUDGETED FOR PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANTS. 
          AND WE'RE WELL UNDER FOR MANY GRANTS WHERE YOU STILL HAVE ABOUT 12,700 TO GO. 
          SO AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. 
          UM, THE LIBRARY, WE'VE USED MORE MONEY. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE DOWN, UM, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM UNDER PUBLIC OUTREACH, WE'VE ACTUALLY EXPENDED MORE OF THE MONEY AND WE'VE ENCUMBERED SOME COST AS WELL. 
          I WENT AHEAD SINCE IT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN, AND I LISTED THE SPRING ART SHOW AWARDS AS ENCUMBERED COSTS BECAUSE WE'LL BE DOING THAT WITHIN A MONTH. 
          UM, WE'LL BE WORKING TO, UH, GET WITH THE AWARDEES AND START PREPARING THEIR CHECKS. 
          UM, BEFORE I GO PAST THIS SLIDE, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE AT ALL? I MEAN, AGAIN, IT LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST TIME YOU SAW IT. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, IS THERE, DO WE HAVE, UM, DO WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL ADVERTISING PLANNED FOR THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES? SINCE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AS MANY APPLICATIONS AS WE HAVE BUDGET FOR IN THE PAST, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BUDGET WENT FIRST BECAUSE, UM, THE BUDGET NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, I THINK KIND OF IN ALL FACETS OF OUR EFFORTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE KIND OF REACHED THE GOAL WE WERE, UH, WORKING TOWARDS, WHICH WAS WE WANTED TO HAVE SO MUCH DEMAND, UH, THAT WE HAD TO GET A LITTLE CHOOSY AND A LITTLE SPECIFIC AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, OH, WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY. 
          WE REALISTICALLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR EVERYONE. 
          IF EVERYTHING WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, WE'D HAVE TO GET VERY CREATIVE. 
          UM, WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE, UH, THE NEXT SET OF PUBLICITY TO GO OUT WILL BE, UH, THE MINI-GRANT, UM, UH, MINI GRANTS FOR JUNE. 
          THAT'S THE NEXT THING TO HAPPEN. 
          UM, AFTER WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION OF THE MINI GRANTS AND THE PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANTS, IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT APPROXIMATELY WHAT'S LEFT, WHAT'S REMAINING, UM, IF ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MAKE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, GO AS YOU RECOMMEND IT, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE PRETTY THIN BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26, 27. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND MINI GRANTS. 
          WE ARE, THAT IS A POINT OF ENTRY FOR A LOT OF THE ARTISTS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT. 
          SO APART FROM THE BUDGET ITSELF, I'M NOT SURE HOW EVERYONE'S FEELING ABOUT WHETHER WE'RE GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT CITY SUPPORT FOR, FOR ARTISTS IN TERMS OF THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY, NOT LOOKING AT THE BUDGET OVERALL, JUST LOOKING AT THE APPLICATIONS FOR GRANTS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO BE, BUT IF OTHERS DISAGREE, PLEASE WEIGH IN ON THAT, THAT I THINK THAT, UH, FOR, FOR THE DISCUSSION IDEA MM-HMM . 
          PORTION OF IT, THAT SHOULD COME AFTER WE OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE PRESENTATION IS DONE. 
          I WILL JUST SAY FOR NOW, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE MOST TOTAL APPLICATIONS YES. 
          WE'VE EVER GOTTEN. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I MEAN THIS IS, THIS WAS A HUGE NUMBER. 
          WE HAD 10 PROJECT IN PROGRAM GRANT APPLICATIONS, WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS AS PART OF THAT ITEM. 
          AND FOUR FOR MANY GRANTS. 
          SO, UM, AT LEAST FOR A STAFF PERSPECTIVE COMPARED TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR, WE WERE FEELING REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT IT AND WE'RE HOPING, YOU KNOW IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          STAYS AS A COMPELLING OFFERING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN IT, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A SUCCESS THIS TIME AROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO STATE AS WELL, IS THAT WE, THIS TIME AROUND IT HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED FROM PREVIOUS AND IF YOU, UM, IN THE LAST MONTH, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF THAT MINI OR THE PROJECT AND PROGRAMS, YOU MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF THAT YET, WHICH IS GREAT. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THERE HAS BEEN A, A DRASTIC CHANGE. 
          I'M HOPING THAT THAT WILL CONTINUE THROUGH THE NEXT COMING CYCLES, BUT WE'LL KIND OF HAVE TO WAIT. 
          AND IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE WAIT AND SEES. 
          BUT, UM, IF THIS MOMENTUM IS JUST A ONE TIME OR IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL STILL 
          [00:10:01]
NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT IS THE, UM, ONE TIME PURCHASE ACQUISITION THAT'S IN THE ENCUMBERED, THE OTHER CAPITAL EXPENDITURES? , YOU KNOW, UM, I CAN LOOK IT UP WHEN I GO BACK TO MY DESK. 
          IT IS ESCAPING ME AT THIS MOMENT, BUT I'LL LOOK IT UP AND I'LL TELL YOU. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT WAS, OH, I DO REMEMBER. 
          THANK YOU FOR ASKING. 
          . 
          UM, THOSE ARE COSTS RELATED TO THE UTILITY BOXES. 
          THOSE ARE OUR ESTIMATED COSTS, UM, TO PROCURE THE ART FOR THE LIVERMORE PLAZA UTILITY BOXES. 
          MM. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE. 
          I DON'T EXPECT IT TO STRAY TOO FAR AWAY FROM THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAD ME ON MY TOES. 
          I WASN'T READY. 
           THE FINANCE PERSON ALWAYS ASKS , THE NEXT, UH, PAGE JUST SHOWS THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES. 
          UM, THIS IS MONEY THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY GIVEN OUT FOR PEOPLE IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, 25, 26. 
          THIS IS MONEY THAT WE'VE REQUESTED. 
          PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN ISSUED. 
          SO HERE ARE THE ENCUMBRANCES. 
          THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAVE EITHER APPROVED OR YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FOR, AND IT'S GONE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE, YOU'RE SEEING THE REMAINING AMOUNTS, LIKE IF THEY'VE GOTTEN THEIR FIRST PAYMENT OR THEIR SECOND PAYMENT. 
          SOME OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE LIVERMORE FILIPINO AMERICAN ORGANIZATION, UH, THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY PAYMENTS. 
          THAT'S WHY THEIR FULL AMOUNT IS THERE. 
          BUT THIS IS JUST A BREAKDOWN FOR YOU. 
          I DO JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND NOTE THAT THE MANY GRANT FOR PEGGY SCHLEMAN MAY NOT EVER GO THROUGH JUST BECAUSE, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE THE BEST SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR THAT SINCE IT'S TECHNICALLY A CITY PROJECT. 
          UM, THE POET LAUREATE'S PLAN WAS TO GET A GRANT TO PAY FOR IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S A CITY PROJECT, IT MAY MAKE JUST MORE SENSE FOR US TO JUST TAKE IT DIRECTLY FROM THAT BUDGET. 
          SO JUST FYI ON THAT ONE. 
          AND THEN THE ONLY, UH, ACTUAL ENCUMBERED EXPENSE FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 27 IS $7,000 IN PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANTS. 
          AND THAT REPRESENTS, UM, FUNDING FOR THE EAST BAY HOLOCAUST CENTER BECAUSE THEY, WE KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT THEIR EXPENSE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ANY MORE, UM, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS TO GET THEIR SECOND AND THIRD PAYMENT UNTIL THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          WE KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE JUST BASED ON THEIR TIMELINES. 
          AND YEP. 
          THAT'S REFLECTED HERE. 
          AND, UH, THAT COMPLETES MY PRESENTATION. 
          GREAT. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEEN RECEIVED WITH THAT. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS NO, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A MOTION NEEDED ON THIS, SO WE WILL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT. 
          THAT SOUND GREAT? AWESOME. 
          SO WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM 5.3. 
          IT'S DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE MINI GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OH, YEAH. 
          UM, I NEED TO BE RECUSED FROM THIS ITEM. 
          SHOULD I LEAVE NOW? YES. 
          AND I'LL BE THE ONE TO COME GET YOU WHEN THE ITEM, AND SO YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY STEP OUTSIDE. 
          YEAH. 
          OUTDOORS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS DISCUSSION DIRECTION REGARDING MINI GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? THERE IS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR CUSTODIO. 
          SO THIS ITEM IS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION. 
          OH, THERE'S NOT A PRESENTATION ON THE MINI GRANT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE MARCH 2ND, 2026 CYCLE. 
          FOR THIS CYCLE. 
          THE COMMISSION RECEIVED FOUR APPLICATIONS REQUESTING A TOTAL OF $4,000. 
          THE AD HOC COMMITTEE REVIEWED ALL ELIGIBLE APPLICATIONS USING THE COMMISSION'S EVALUATION CRITERIA, AND IS RECOMMENDING A TOTAL OF 2000 IN FUNDING. 
          THE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDES FULL FUNDING FOR THE ALLIANCE FOR VISUAL ARTS TRI-VALLEY ARTIST STUDIO TOUR AT $1,000. 
          AND ROBERT HUNTINGTON LIVERMORE'S 150TH ANNIVERSARIES GOLDEN VALLEY AT $1,000 TWO APPLICATIONS WERE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING. 
          UM, THE RECOMMENDED ACTION FOR THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE THE TWO MINI GRANT AWARDS. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS CHAIR TO SHARE ANY ADDITIONAL INSIGHTS FROM THE REVIEW PROCESS. 
          AND THE CHAIR WAS COMMISSIONER SANE, SO I BELIEVE, UH, CHAIR CUSTODIAL WILL PROVIDE THAT. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN WE WILL FIRST GO TO IS, IS THIS A, IS THERE A REPORT FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE? IS THAT WHERE WE GO TO NEXT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT I'M REPORT. 
          AWESOME. 
          [00:15:01]
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF, WE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS DISCUSSION, AND AS MENTIONED, WE HAD TWO THAT WE WERE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IN TERMS OF, WE FELT THAT THE APPLICATION WAS NOT ONLY WRITTEN VERY WELL, THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED THE PROJECT, UM, HAD VERY, UH, INSIGHTFUL. 
          ONE OF THEM WAS, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'VE GOT SO MUCH COMMUNICATION HERE. 
          WE HAD ONE THAT WAS, UM, AN ARTISTIC, UH, ACTUAL COMPOSITION, MUSICAL COMPOSITION, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE NECESSARILY SEEN, OR AT LEAST I'VE HEARD OF, SEEN COME THROUGH. 
          AND SO THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A VERY, UM, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO FUND. 
          UM, AND SO REALLY, I'M SURE YOU'RE WANTING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE TWO THAT WE DID NOT LOOK AT TO FUND. 
          AND ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT PIECES OF THIS HAS TO DO, ALONG WITH THE FACT OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE WERE TWO SEPARATE SUBMISSIONS, BUT FOR THE SAME PROJECT. 
          AND IN CERTAIN AREAS THERE WAS OVERLAP IN CERTAIN AREAS, THERE WASN'T. 
          AND SO WE DID SEEK SOME CLARITY, UM, FROM, FROM STAFF OF, UM, THERE WAS INITIALLY SOME, UH, CONFUSION AROUND WHERE THE EXACT LOCATION, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO A MURAL. 
          AND SO SOME OF THE OVERLAP CAME FROM, WAS THERE AN OVERLAP OF THE, UM, ACTUAL MATERIALS THAT WAS NEEDED. 
          BOTH HAD INCLUDED PAINT AS PART OF, UM, SOME OF THE FEES THAT THE MINI GRANT WOULD BE COVERING, BOTH HAD INCLUDED, UM, IN TERMS OF PAYMENT FOR THE ARTIST, SOME SORT OF STIPEND THERE. 
          AND SO IT GOT A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED ACTUALLY, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH FUNDING THIS MINI GRANT WANTED. 
          IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS MORE THAT THIS MINI GRANT WANTED $2,000 FOR THEIR PROJECT AS OPPOSED TO ONE FOR ONE SINGLE PROJECT. 
          SO THERE WAS THAT WHOLE COMPONENT TO START OFF WITH. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE WAS THIS, THERE WAS ANOTHER WHOLE AREA, UH, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE FOUND IN THE APPLICATION IS WE HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH OF THIS BEING ON LAS POSITAS COLLEGE'S CAMPUS. 
          AND SO WE ASSUMED THERE HAD TO BE SOME SORT OF EITHER PROCEDURE PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH WITH LAS POSITAS IN ORDER TO DO THAT. 
          AND WE HAD VERBAL CONFIRMATION THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAD NO ACTUAL PHYSICAL DOCUMENTATION ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM ANY SUPERVISOR, UM, LAS POSITAS COLLEGE STAFF, UM, THAT LAS POSITAS COLLEGE ALSO HAS AN ART ON CAMPUS, UM, GROUP THAT IS MADE UP OF A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS NO REFERENCE AT ALL MADE IN THE GRANT APPLICATION THAT ANY OF THAT, UM, HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THEM, THOUGHT THROUGH WITH THEM. 
          AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE STRANGE TO HAVE THAT ALL EXCLUDED. 
          AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD THIS BE BROUGHT FORWARD AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVE THIS MINI-GRANT CYCLE, UM, THAT MIGHT BE JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT MIGHT CHANGE HOW WE SEE THIS PROJECT MORE THOROUGHLY. 
          UM, THERE WAS, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A MURAL, NO PLAN FOR MAINTENANCE IN TERMS OF OVER TIME, A LOT OF THAT IS REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON SOME OF OUR OTHER MURAL AND UTILITY BOX PROJECTS. 
          SO WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUE, UH, JUST SITUATIONS THAT WE SAW WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING IS THAT THE, SOME OF THE OTHER PREVIOUS MURALS THAT LAS POSITAS HAS ON THEIR CAMPUS, THERE'S ONE MAJOR ONE THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION ON, ON THEIR WEBSITE. 
          UM, IT WAS COMPLETED IN A TWO WEEK PERIOD, AND THAT SEEMED ABOUT STANDARD OF, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF DISRUPTING THE CAMPUS AND HAVING ALL THOSE MATERIALS OUT. 
          AND THIS PROJECT IS TAKING PLACE OVER A ONE YEAR PERIOD. 
          AND SO WE WERE A LITTLE CONCERNED OF DO WE HAVE PERMISSION FROM THE SCHOOL TO BE PAINTING FOR A YEAR'S WORTH OF TIME OUTSIDE. 
          THAT ALSO SEEMED A LITTLE EXTREME. 
          SO REALLY THE CONSIDERATION HERE IS WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF OPEN-ENDEDNESS IN TERMS OF THE MINI-GRANT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME CLARITY. 
          AND GIVEN THAT THE MINI-GRANT APPLICATION DOES HAPPEN QUARTERLY, WE WOULD RECOMMEND COMING BACK WITH SOME OF THESE, UM, ANSWERS, UH, ANSWERED. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE STOOD WITH THAT DECISION. 
          UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER MILDER WAS ALSO ON THERE AS WELL, IF HE HAD ANY FEEDBACK. 
          NICE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IS THAT WE ARE GONNA DECIDE TODAY WHETHER WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE BACK TO THEM WITH THESE QUESTIONS AND ASK THEM TO REAPPLY. 
          IS THAT THE, THE WE'LL DECIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR THE RECORD, THE QUESTION IS WHAT'S THE ACTION TONIGHT? ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE ACTION IS TO REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATION IS TO FUND THE TWO, UM, APPLICATE YEAH. 
          APPLICATIONS TO OTHERS MM-HMM . 
          BUT OF COURSE, THIS MEETING IS PUBLIC, AND SO THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO LISTEN TO THIS CONTENT AND COMMENTARY AND, AND HEAR FEEDBACK OF WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
          AND I'M SURE, UM, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE DIRECTED TOWARDS CITY STAFF, THEY CAN LET THEM KNOW THAT WE HAD SOME OTHER CONCERNS. 
          I, I GUESS I WAS ASKING THOSE TWO THAT WE ARE NOT APPROVING WITH ALL THESE QUESTIONS. 
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WHAT'S THE PROCESS? WILL WE TELL THEM, HEY, HEY, YOU DIDN'T GET A, YOU DIDN'T GET APPROVAL, BUT HERE'S THE CONCERNS. 
          IF YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERN, YOU COULD REAPPLY, IS THAT, UH, STAFF NORM? SO YES, THE PROCESS IS STAFF WILL NOTIFY, UM, AT THE, UH, CONCLUSION OF, UH, THE MEETING AND, UM, THE DECISION, UH, THE APPLICANTS. 
          SO WHETHER THEY WERE AWARDED OR, UH, NOT AWARDED. 
          AND DURING THAT TIME, WE WILL EXTEND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE ANY CLARIFICATION. 
          DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ? ? I GUESS I, I GUESS I, I MEAN, YOU ARE VERY SPECIFIC. 
          YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS, RIGHT? I THINK THEY MM-HMM . 
          UH, WE SHOULD PUT 'EM ON PAPER. 
          AND FOR THESE REASONS YOU DID NOT GET IT RIGHT. 
          THAT'S HOW YOU SHOULD TELL THEM. 
          SO THEN THEY CAN DECIDE WHETHER IT'S WORTH FOR THEM TO RECONSIDER AND APPLY OR BE DONE WITH IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IF WE DO THAT, WE'RE BASICALLY, YOU'RE ALMOST LOCKING YOURSELF INTO A POSITION WHERE THE EXPECTATION IS THAT IF THEY MAKE A CHANGE, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO A YES. 
          SO IF YOU GO WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S, UH, DECISION TODAY, AND THAT ENDS UP BEING THE, THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION, THERE ARE NO FOR THIS CYCLE. 
          NOW, AGAIN, AS MY, UH, COLLEAGUE MENTIONED, THEY'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, IT'LL BE RIGHT THERE IN THE EMAIL. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT TO DISCUSS ANY FURTHER, REACH OUT TO 'EM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK TO 'EM AND, AND WORK WITH THEM. 
          I HAVE A MORE SPECIFIC QUESTION, MAYBE THAT IS ALONG THE LINES. 
          IS THERE, WERE THERE ASPECTS OF THIS APPLICATION THAT DID NOT MEET OUR MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS? COULD, COULD, COULD WE HAVE APPROVED THIS ONE? OR DID THEY, DID THEY MISS SOME THINGS? AT A MINIMUM, I CAN SPEAK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE AND THEN, UM, CERTAINLY THE EVALUATION THROUGH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          UM, SO ALL APPLICATIONS ARE REVIEWED INITIALLY FOR COMPLETION AND THOROUGHNESS FOR THAT ELIGIBILITY. 
          ARE THEY ELIGIBLE TO BE EVALUATED? AND THEY DID MEET THAT THRESHOLD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE MAJOR CONCERN THAT WE HAD IN TERMS OF MEETING THAT MARK IN TERMS OF THE, THE PIECE OF PAPER AND THE QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, WAS THE TRUE FROM THAT BEGINNING STANDPOINT OF TALKING ABOUT HOW THE GRANTS WERE VERY SIMILAR. 
          SO WE HAD A OVERLAP OF THE SIMILAR TYPES OF PRODUCTS, UM, STIPENDS TO THE EACH OTHER AS ARTISTS. 
          IT FELT LIKE WE WERE TRYING, AGAIN, TRYING TO FUND $2,000 FOR ONE PROJECT, UH, IN WHICH AGAIN, WE COULD RECOMMEND IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, LOOK AT A PROGRAM, PROJECT IN PROGRAM GRANT, IF THAT, IF THERE'S A NEED FOR MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT OF FUND. 
          UM, AGAIN, ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS I'LL THROW OUT THERE IN THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID, THE OTHER MURAL THAT WAS DONE ON LAS POSITAS COLLEGE'S CAMPUS WAS WELL OVER $50,000. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE TOO, THAT RAISED A LOT OF QUESTIONS OF WHERE IS THE OVERSIGHT FROM THE CAMPUS, UM, AND WHERE IS THIS FUNDING COMING FROM THAT IS, IS $500 EVEN TRULY WHAT A MURAL ON THAT CAMPUS SHOULD BE? AND THAT'S WHERE IT RAISED THE QUESTIONS FURTHER OF WHAT PERMISSIONS ARE GIVEN. 
          UM, WE JUST, WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER OPENNESS THAT, UM, BESIDES THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE OVERLAP OF THE TWO APPLICANTS WE FELT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO ASK ME IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO THIS. 
          UH, AND NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEEN RECEIVED ON THIS ITEM. 
          WELL, WITH THAT, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? I KNOW IT'S NEVER, NEVER FUN TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY A DECISION IS BEING MADE, BUT WE, I CAN GUARANTEE WE HAD LOTS OF BACK AND FORTH ON THIS. 
          UM, AND, AND AGAIN, OPEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK RECORDED ON THIS MEETING SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, WOULD HOPE TO SEE THIS AGAIN SOMEDAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NO, JUST, I, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE REASONS FOR NOT APPROVING. 
          I, I MEAN, YOU GUYS DID, UH, WAY MORE WORK FOR A THOUSAND DOLLARS MINI GRAND APPLICATION. 
          SO I HAVE NO, NO QUESTION ON THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THE PROCESS WAS THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING. 
          SO IT'S DEF YEAH, I, I AGREE THAT, THANK YOU FOR ME TOO. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE CONCLUSION IN THE SLIGHTEST, IT'S REALLY JUST THE FEEDBACK PART OF IT. 
          IT JUST, THE FEEDBACK. 
          AND A LOT OF THIS GOES BACK TO A LARGER CONVERSATION OF WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING GRANTS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S MORE TEMPORARY, AN EXHIBIT OR A, A, YOU KNOW, A A PIECE OF COMPOSITION THAT'S BEING PLAYED, THAT THERE'S A LOT, NOT AS MUCH RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO 
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SOMETHING THAT FEELS VERY PERMANENT THAT'S GOING ON. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE WERE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION HERE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION? COMMISSIONER KLEI? DO I HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER GOSMAN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES TO APPROVE THE MINI-GRANT APPLICATION I RECOMMENDED BY THE AD COC COMMITTEE. 
          WE WILL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT. 
          AND FOR THE RECORD, UM, QUESTION, DO , THE COMMISSION DID VOTE UNANIMOUSLY FOR EVERYONE ELIGIBLE TO, UH, ACCEPT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S MINI-GRANT, UH, RECOMMENDATION. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          IS IT BORING YOUT, GUYS? OH, IT IS BORING. 
          YES. 
          . 
          IT WAS GOOD. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. 
          YEAH, IT WAS OKAY. 
          IT'S WORKING WHEN I, OH MAN. 
          MAYBE IT'S LOOKING FOR YOU. 
          . 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, I FEEL LIKE I JUST WENT TO THE OPTOMETRIST TODAY. 
          STAY CLEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN YOU RIGHT AND LEFT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          OR ABOUT THE SAME. 
          THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT THE SAME. 
          I THINK IT'S A, OH, YOU HAVE TO TAP RIGHT THERE IN THE POINT AND IT'LL, UH, NO, SORRY. 
          ON THE BASE, AND THEN IT'LL GO GREEN ON THE MICROPHONE BASE. 
          SO NEXT UP IS ITEM FIVE, 5.4, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANT APPLICATIONS. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? UH, THERE IS. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR CUSTODIO. 
          UH, SO THIS ITEM IS A DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON THE PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANTS FOR THE MARCH 2ND, 2026 CYCLE, AS OUTLINED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. 
          UH, THIS PROGRAM SUPPORTS CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAMMING IN LIVERMORE AND IS FUNDED THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART FUND WITH TWO CYCLES ANNUALLY. 
          UM, AND FINAL APPROVAL IS BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          BUT BEFORE I BEGIN, I WANNA BRIEFLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS CYCLE WAS THE MOST COMPETITIVE IN RECENT YEARS. 
          ALAN TOUCHED ON IT FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, UM, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE OUTCOME. 
          SO THROUGH THE LAST YEAR, OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE, UH, DONE MORE ROBUST OUTREACH, UH, TO OUR PARTNERS JUST OVERALL IN THE COMMUNITY, MAKING THE OPPORTUNITY MORE VISIBLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO A BROADER RANGE OF ARTISTS AND ORGANIZATIONS. 
          NOT ONLY WAS IT THE LARGEST, UM, APPLICANT POOL, BUT WE DID A MAJORITY OF THE A APPLICATIONS WERE NEW APPLICANTS. 
          SO IF WE WANNA LOOK AT IT FROM A, UM, EXPOSURE AND OUTREACH PERSPECTIVE, UM, THE RESULTS OF THAT WORK ARE REFLECTED IN THE NUMBERS AND DIVERSITY OF THE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED THIS CYCLE, UM, ESPECIALLY IN NEW PROGRAMS. UM, SO THE TOTAL BUDGET, UH, REQUEST IS 80. 
          THE, THE TOTAL REQUESTING, UM, APPLICATIONS 80,000, UH, $200. 
          AND THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING 54, UH, THOUSAND 700. 
          UM, SO I'LL WALK THROUGH THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM, THE EVALUATION PROCESS, AND THE COMMITTEE'S FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE ARE TWO CYCLES. 
          THIS ONE, UH, APPLIES TO THE MARCH 2ND CYCLE. 
          IT DOES SUPPORT APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, PROPOSE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY OF LIVERMORE. 
          AND IT'S DESIGNED TO SUPPORT THE, UM, ARTISTIC, UH, ENDEAVORS AND OPPORTUNITIES IN LIVERMORE AND, AND ENCOURAGE PROGRAMS, UM, FOR CULTURAL ENRICHMENT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE, UM, UH, CULTURAL ARTS PLAN. 
          AND THE MAXIMUM FUNDING AMOUNT IS $10,000 PER PER PROPOSAL. 
          THE, UH, AD HOC COMMITTEE DOES EVALUATE THE APPLICATIONS AND THE PROJECTS ON, UH, AN ESTABLISHED SET OF CRITERIA. 
          UM, AND BASICALLY THEY CONSIDER WHETHER THE APPLICANT IS QUALIFIED. 
          THEY LOOK AT THE MERIT, THE QUALITY, AND THE FEASIBILITY OF THE PROGRAM, THE STRENGTH AND CLARITY OF THE BUDGET, UM, AND THE AVAILABILITY OF OTHER FUNDING SOURCES IN TERMS OF MATCH, UH, THE LEVEL OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND COLLABORATION, AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE MARKETING AND OUTREACH. 
          HOW BROAD IS THE, UH, PROGRAM AND PROJECT GOING TO, UH, REACH INTO THE COMMUNITY? UM, AND THIS FRAMEWORK HELPS ENSURE A CONSISTENT AND TRANSPARENT REVIEW, UH, ACROSS THE APPLICATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE AS THIS ROUND WAS. 
          SO THE, THIS CHART REPRESENTS THE FUNDING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. 
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THE, UH, APPLICATIONS, THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE LISTED IN GREEN ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED FOR FUNDING. 
          WE DID WANT TO IDENTIFY THEIR, UH, REQUEST AMOUNT, AND THERE ARE RECOMMENDED AWARD. 
          THERE ARE SIX PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED FOR FULL FUNDING, ONE PROJECT AT PARTIAL FUNDING, AND THREE PROJECTS NOT RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING WITH THE TOTAL RECOMMENDED AWARD OF 54,700. 
          UH, SO AT THE CONCLUSION OF TODAY'S MEETING, UM, APPLICANTS ARE NOTIFIED OF THE FUNDING, THE COMMISSION'S FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT THE FINAL DECISION IS MADE BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, WE BEGIN PREPARING THE MATERIALS FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, AND THAT MEETING TYPICALLY HAPPENS IN JUNE. 
          UM, AND THEN WE PROCEED TO THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT OF CONTRACTS AND, UH, PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS CAN BEGIN. 
          BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR OF THE AD AD HOC COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE ANY, UM, CONTEXT ABOUT THE EVALUATION PROCESS OR ANYTHING ELSE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE OR THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          UM, BEFORE I RUN THROUGH EACH OF THE AWARDS, UM, THE AND, AND DECISIONS WE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING. 
          UM, THE BACKSTORY, I THINK TO THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE THERE IS $80,000 ALLOCATED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, 20 26, 27, UM, 7,000 OF WHICH WE JUST, WE WERE JUST TOLD IS, IS ENCUMBERED THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH $73,000 FOR THE SECOND GRANT CYCLE. 
          HAVE I UNDERSTOOD THIS CORRECTLY THAT I THINK ALAN CAN CONFIRM? YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS GONNA COMMENT ON MM-HMM . 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT GRANT CYCLE, WHICH IS, UM, IN THE SEPTEMBER 1ST DUE DATE, APPLICATIONS THAT ARE COMING IN AT THAT POINT SHOULD BE IN THAT SAME GRANT YEAR. 
          YES. 
          26, 27. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO ENCUMBER ANYTHING ALL THE WAY OUT TO 27 28, BECAUSE 27 28 DOESN'T HAVE AN APPROVED BUDGET YET. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF WE APPROVE THE, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS THERE WILL BE, UH, JUST UNDER $19,000 LEFT FOR THE SECOND GRANT CYCLE, ACTUALLY $18,300 LEFT FOR THE SECOND GRAND CYCLE. 
          WE WERE ACTUALLY ASKED FOR, UH, FOR MORE. 
          WE, IF WE HAD GRANTED MORE, WE WOULD'VE WOUND UP WITH EVEN LESS IN THE NEXT CYCLE. 
          SO I'M, I'M POINTING THIS OUT. 
          SO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE CONSIDERING, UH, IN TERMS OF  OF HOW FAR TO GO. 
          THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY BACKGROUND COMMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO THE OKAY. 
          INDIVIDUAL ONES. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          GREAT. 
          CAN, BEFORE WE DO THAT, YEAH. 
          BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN WE, UM, ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SESSION? OH, YOU WANNA MOVE INTO THE DISCUSSION? ARE YOU READY FOR DISCUSSION OR ARE YOU JUST GETTING CLARIFYING? IT'S THE CLARIFY. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          TIMELINE CLARIFICATION. 
          SO IF, IF SOMEONE APPLIED IN MARCH, WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO FINISH THAT PROJECT? SO THEY OH, I'M SORRY. 
          ARE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH TAKE THAT. 
          SO THERE'S FLEXIBILITY, UM, IN THAT SOME OF THE GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED, OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU'RE SEEING UP THERE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA FALL IN THIS CURRENT BUDGET YEAR. 
          SO THE ONLY REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR THEM IS THAT THEIR PROJECT NOT BEGIN FOR 60 DAYS AFTER THE, UM, AFTER THE APPLICATION DEADLINE. 
          SO IN THIS CASE, MAY 1ST, IF THEIR PROJECT IS STARTING, THEN THAT'S OKAY. 
          MM. 
          SO IF A GROUP SAYS THEIR EVENT IS GONNA HAPPEN ON MAY 25TH, PERFECTLY FINE FOR IT STILL TO GO INTO THIS BUDGET CYCLE. 
          JUST ONE FURTHER NOTE WITH THE BUDGET, AND, UM, UM, WE HAD THE SLIDE UP THERE, BUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS AGAIN. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME LIMITED FLEXIBILITY. 
          WHEN WE DESIGNED THE BUDGET, WHEN WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS TO DISCUSS IT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LINE ITEMS IN THERE THAT MAY NOT END UP HAPPENING AS WE DISCUSSED THEM. 
          IT MAY BE THAT THERE'S MINI GRANT MONEY THAT ENDS UP GOING UNUSED THAT CAN BE SHIFTED TO PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANTS. 
          SO IF WE ARE CLOSE TO THE NUMBER, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO, UM, APPROVE $2,200 AND $2,500 THIS FISCAL YEAR, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ALREADY SHOWING OVER THE BUDGET, WHAT WAS IT? I THINK 30 SOMETHING A HUNDRED DOLLARS, THAT AMOUNT IS NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH, UM, TO CAUSE US LIKE ANY MAJOR 
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ISSUES. 
          WE CAN STILL WORK AROUND THAT JUST BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'VE BUDGETED. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          IF WE HAVE $19,000 LEFT AND WE HAVE A WHOLE NOTHER POTENTIAL, TWO BUDGET CYCLES, I'M SORRY, TWO APPLICATION CYCLES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY TAKE MONEY FROM 26 27, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE SEPTEMBER ONE MARCH OF NEXT YEAR. 
          IF SOMEBODY HAD ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF JUNE, THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR AS WELL. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER IN RELATION TO THE BUDGET. 
          I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING WAS SOMEONE CALLED ME AND SAID, WE HAVE AN EVENT IN NOVEMBER PLANNED, WHEN SHOULD WE APPLY? AND DID I GIVE THEM THE WRONG INFORMATION? YOU SHOULD APPLY IN THE SEPTEMBER CYCLE? I GUESS I MEAN, IT, IT DEPENDS ON PROBABLY WHAT, WHEN ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE STARTING THEIR PLANNING AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR INCURRING COSTS AND EVERYTHING, AS LONG AS IT STARTS AFTER MAY 1ST, THEY'RE OKAY. 
          UM, WE WOULD BREAK DOWN THE MONEY BY LIKE WHERE IT FALLS. 
          BASICALLY, IF THEY'RE SAYING, HEY, EVERYTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THERE'S NO, UH, PROHIBITION OVER THEM REQUESTING IT NOW. 
          JUST LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE LAST CYCLE WITH THE EAST BAY HOLOCAUST CENTER, THEY WERE CLEAR WHEN WE SAID YES TO THEM, THAT WAS 2025 AND THEY WERE CLEAR INTO 2027 ALREADY. 
          SO JUST, YEAH. 
          BUT I MEAN, IT'S GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU TO HAVE NOW LEARN MY LESSON JUST TO, UH, JUST TO ADD ON THE 60 DAY TIMEFRAME HAS, HAS ALWAYS, HAS BEEN IN PLACE, UM, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION TIMELINE. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I JUST, UH, TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO ADD TO OTHER THINGS TO YOUR STAFF REPORT, UH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, JUST A SHOUT OUT, NOT JUST TO STAFF, NOT JUST OUT FOR GENERAL OUTREACH, BUT TO ALL OF YOU, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THOSE CARDS, SOMEBODY GAVE OUT A CARD TO SOMEBODY IN THIS ROOM, AND THEIR NAME IS ON THIS LIST, I, I'D BE WILLING TO BET A MILLION DOLLARS ON IT. 
          SO WE FEEL LIKE THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THAT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW MUCH WE WANNA PUSH OUTREACH AS WE GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO THE BUDGET LIMITATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER FOR THE FUTURE, AND THIS IS NOT A RIGHT NOW THING, BUT, UM, THIS WAS, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, MAYBE THE MOST TROUBLED SET OF APPLICATIONS AS WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE WE WERE READY TO TURN THEM OVER, WE SAW PROBLEMS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAD TO REACH OUT AND GET CLARIFICATIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU SEE, I THINK IN A LOT OF THEM, YOU SEE THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION AND THEN IF YOU SCROLL THROUGH IT, YOU'LL SEE, OH, THESE DOCUMENTS WERE RECEIVED AFTER. 
          SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN IMPORTANT GOAL OF THE COMMISSION TO CLEAN UP THE PROCESS, FIND WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE APPLY THIS TIME AROUND. 
          THIS WAS THE MOST EVIDENT IT WAS FOR ME. 
          SO LONG TERM, WE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION DEFINITELY NEEDS TO HOP ON AND HUNGER DOWN ON AND HELP LOCKDOWN. 
          CAN I SEE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TO REVIEW AND IMPROVE THE PROCESS, THE APPLICATION FORM? YEAH. 
          NOT JUST THE APPLICATION FORM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          A A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE DOING, UH, SOME OF THEM WERE JUST SIMPLE MISTAKES, SIMPLE MATH MISTAKES. 
          THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T ADDING UP THEIR NUMBERS CORRECTLY. 
          SOME OF IT WAS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT QUALIFIED AS A MATCHING FUND, UM, WHAT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE COST. 
          THAT'S MORE ALONG THOSE LINES OF HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK MONEY SHOULD BE EXPENDED? THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT YOU'VE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, WELL, I NEED $20,000 FOR ARTISTIC FEES. 
          WELL, I'VE BEEN IN THESE MEETINGS BEFORE WHERE THE COMMISSION IS LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE MORE GIVING MONEY TO, UH, RENTAL TO SUPPLIES? THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WHAT'S REASONABLE? AND EVEN QUESTIONS LIKE THAT. 
          IF THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE FELT LIKE WERE ESPECIALLY SKEWED, WE ASKED THE QUESTION OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, HEY, CAN YOU BREAK THIS DOWN? THERE WAS ALSO SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHERE WE FOUND APPLICATIONS THAT THE ANSWERS WERE VAGUE OR THERE WAS SOMETHING MISSING. 
          THEY WOULD SAY, HEY, THIS IS MY COST, BUT REALLY NO BREAKDOWN. 
          AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE FOR THIS FIRST AD HOC COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAD THE PROPER INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WE PUT IT IN THE PACKET AS WELL, SO THE FULL COMMISSION CAN HAVE THE INFORMATION AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO WITH, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. 
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OKAY. 
          SO, UM, WITH OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT I'VE DONE, OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONS THAT I'VE, UH, WITNESSED, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TRAINING SESSION. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COME AND YOU HAVE A ZOOM MEETING. 
          THEY TELL YOU, THEY GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION FORM TELLING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE, WHAT'S NOT. 
          SO I THINK I SPOKE TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO APPLIED AND THEY DIDN'T QUITE GET WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THE ARTS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT IT TAKES SOME UNDERSTANDING TO KNOW WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE THING. 
          THAT'S A COMMUNITY THING THAT HELPS THE WHOLE A LITTLE MORE. 
          AND ONE THING THAT JUST IS LIKE AN ADD-ON. 
          UM, YEAH, I, I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF THAT LARGER CONVERSATION. 
          IT'S ONE OF THE IDEAS WE'VE HAD. 
          MAYBE IT'S AN INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO. 
          UM, I'M BIG ON GRANT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, GRANT INFORMATION NIGHT WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, TALK TO STAFF, MAYBE TALK TO THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. 
          UM, BANDWIDTH HAS BEEN, UM, WHAT'S HELD US BACK FROM DOING THAT SOONER. 
          BUT WHEN WE START PLANNING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE SHOULD KEEP ALL OF THESE IDEAS IN MIND. 
          THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          UM, MAYBE, I MEAN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO IT SOONER THAN LATER IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING OUT CARDS TO PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER APPLIED FOR GRANTS BEFORE. 
          MAYBE IT SHOULD BE JUST A THING THAT WE DO. 
          AND I'M VERY WILLING TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP WITH THIS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I DID EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE, BUT THEY, THEY JUST DON'T, THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          THEY NEED A, THEY NEED IT REPEATED A FEW TIMES. 
          I'D, I'D SAY, FOR A STOP GAP FOR NOW. 
          IF ANYBODY HAS ANY INQUIRIES OR YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, UM, NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS OR CONNECT WITH THEM, BY ALL MEANS, PLEASE REFER THEM TO US. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          UM, WE ARE THE ONES DOING THE INITIAL SCREENING. 
          WE HAVE THE INITIAL JUDGMENT TO SAY WHETHER SOMEBODY'S MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF AN APPLICATION. 
          SO THAT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO BE JUST AS HELPFUL AS WE CAN IN SO MANY WAYS, BUT IT'S WHAT'S REALISTIC RIGHT NOW. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TURN. 
          FINALLY. 
          I'M LIKE, WHERE ARE WE? ? I THINK CHAIR MILLER JUST PLANTED TALK. 
          I THINK HE DID ALREADY. 
          DID HE? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          PERFECT. 
          OH, THIS IS GONNA TAKE US A WHILE. 
          PLEASE BE PATIENT. 
          UH, AS I PULL UP EACH APPLICATION, WHAT I WANT TO SUGGEST IS THAT I FIRST RUN THROUGH THE APPLICANTS WHERE WE ARE. 
          OUR, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, OUR, OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS NATALIA AND KATHLEEN AND MYSELF. 
          DID I, AM I? NO, IT WAS THOMASON AND TRACY. 
          WHO AM I COMPLETELY OFF BASE? YES. 
          I FORGET WHICH AD HOC COMMITTEE I'M ON . 
          IT WAS THOMASON AND TRACY, MYSELF. 
          ALRIGHT, SO, UM, UH, I, I THOUGHT I WOULD RUN THROUGH THE ONES WHERE WE DID AGREE TO, UH, UM, RECOMMEND AWARDING THE FULL AMOUNT REQUESTED. 
          LET ME DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S EASIER. 
          UM, AND THEN GO TO THE, UM, THE PARTIALLY, UH, UM, THE ONE WHERE WE RECOMMEND PARTIAL FUNDING, AND THEN THE ONES WHERE WE DO NOT RECOMMEND FUNDING. 
          UM, UH, AND COLA IS GOING, UH, HAS ASKED FOR FUNDING FOR A PUBLIC ART, UM, DISPLAY IN LIVER MORON PLAZA CALLED THE STORIES WE DRAW. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS A MULTIMEDIA, UM, PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE WALL OF THE BUILDING. 
          IF YOU COULD THINK OF WHERE PETE'S COFFEE IS ON THAT WALL. 
          UM, DURING, UH, I REMEMBER BLANKING OUT ON WHICH EVENT IT'S GOING TO BE ON ART WALKER. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ART WALKER OR NOT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THAT. 
          UH, HOLD ON. 
          I WILL GET HER. 
          LIKE I SAID, GOTTA PULL UP EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. 
          TWIST. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT WAS IT CALLED? TRI VALLEY TWIST, CULTURAL TWIST. 
          YEAH. 
          SO DO THE TWIST. 
          UM, AND, UH, UM, OUTDOOR PROJECTION. 
          UM, THERE WE GO. 
          EVENT FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SHORT VIDEO UNDER 10 MINUTES. 
          THAT WILL BE ON THE POWER OF ART AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN ON A REPEATING LIKE LOOP. 
          UM, SHE ASKED FOR, UH, 
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SHE ASKED FOR $2,200 AND, UH, WE AGREED WITH THAT. 
          SO, UM, I, I SUPPOSE I SHOULD ASK FOR QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO ON, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GONNA TAKE US LONGER. 
          BUT, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR? CAN I DO THAT? NATALIA? CAN I LIKE STOP AND SURE. 
          ? YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A ALLEN QUESTION. 
           YES. 
          QUESTIONS DIRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR REPORT? YES. 
          IF IT TURNS INTO DISCUSSION DASH WAIT. 
          OH, I SEE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IN THAT CASE, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH 'EM ALL. 
          RUN THROUGH IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, NEXT UP, UH, AMI, SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS FESTIVAL THAT'S RUN FOR, UH, SEVERAL YEARS ON THE PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE BANK HEAD, UH, TASTE OF AFRICA, UM, A BIG EVENT, UH, LOTS OF EXPENSES WITH THE STAGE, UH, SOUND, ET CETERA. 
          WE AGREED TO FUND THAT IN, UH, TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THEIR REQUEST. 
          $10,000. 
          I'M SKIPPING OVER. 
          DEAR DONNA ETTE FOR THE MOMENT. 
          LIVERMORE FILIPINO AMERICAN ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, THE, UH, THEIR FESTIVAL, SAME LOCATION, DIFFERENT DAY. 
          UM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THEY ARE BACK TO BACK DAYS IN OCTOBER. 
          WHAT'S THAT? OVER A WEEKEND? OVER A WEEKEND, YEAH. 
          UM, AND, UH, SIMILAR, UH, KINDS OF EXPENSES. 
          UM, THE LIVERMORE, UH, VALLEY ARTS REQUESTED MONEY TO SUPPORT THE ART WALK THAT I PRESUME WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, LOTS OF, UM, SUPPORT EXPENSES ON THAT PLAZA IN FRONT OF THE BANK HEAD, INCLUDING SOUND STAGE AS WELL. 
          UM, LIVERMORE VALLEY OPERA ASKS FOR MONEY TO SUPPORT THEIR PROGRAM, UH, FOR OPERA IN SCHOOLS. 
          OF, OF EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THIS LIST, MY GUESS IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HIT THE LARGEST AUDIENCE BECAUSE THEY BRING THIS PROGRAM INTO SCHOOLS AS WELL AS OTHER INSTITUTIONS, UM, MOSTLY IN LIVERMORE. 
          UM, AND, UH, THIS DOES GO TO PAY THE ARTISTS. 
          UM, AND THEN SPARK ASKED FOR MONEY, UM, NOT QUITE AS SPECIFIC AS THE, UH, UH, REQUESTS THEY HAVE HAD IN PREVIOUS YEARS, BUT AGAIN, TO SUPPORT THEIR OVERALL PROGRAM, WE ELECTED TO, UH, UH, FILL THEIR, UM, REQUEST AS REQUESTED. 
          UM, SO THOSE ARE THE ONES WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH IN FULL. 
          UM, LET ME, UH, GO TO THE, UH, TO DNE ETTE NOW, UM, WHERE, UH, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A WORTHWHILE PROGRAM DESERVING OF CITY SUPPORT THAT THE CITY SHOULD SUPPORT. 
          THE REQUEST THE SIZE OF THE GRANT STRUCK US AS, UH, BEING, UM, TOO LARGE FOR THE SIZE OF THE PROGRAM ITSELF. 
          THIS WILL BE A, UM, FILM AND MEDIA WORKSHOP, UM, TO BE HELD AT. 
          UH, I WANT TO GET THE NAME OF THE CHURCH, RIGHT, UM, CROSSWORD, THANK YOU, UH, TO BE HELD AT CROSSWINDS. 
          UM, AND, UH, UH, I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU FROM HIS, UH, BRIEF DESCRIPTION. 
          UM, UM, THE REQUESTED GRANT WILL SUPPORT PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FILM AND MEDIA SUMMIT. 
          UM, I'M NOT GIVING YOU THE PROPER, THAT'S NOT THE LINE YOU NEED TO KNOW. 
          UM, THE FILM AND MEDIA SUMMIT IS A ONE DAY EVENT THAT HIGHLIGHTS FIVE BLACK AND MINORITY FILMMAKERS FILMS, ALONG WITH HOSTS, THREE PANELS, TV BROADCAST PRODUCING, DIRECTING WITH FILM TV INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS, AND THREE WORKSHOPS PRODUCING, DIRECTING CINEMATOGRAPHY. 
          AUDIENCES WILL IMMERSE THEMSELVES IN ARTISTIC EDUCATION FROM WORKING PROFESSIONALS WITH BOOTHS FROM ALLIED ORGANIZATIONS, PROVIDING SUPPORT SYSTEMS FOR THE NEXT WAVE OF CREATIVE ARTISTS IN LIVERMORE. 
          UM, SO, UH, THIS, THIS SOUNDING TO US LIKE A REALLY MEANINGFUL EVENT. 
          THE AUDIENCE RANGE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUGGESTED THIS WILL HIT IS AN AUDIENCE OF 500 PEOPLE. 
          UM, ALSO WROTE PARTICIPANTS FIVE 50. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO, WHAT HE UNDERSTANDS THE DISTINCTION WHEN WE GO BACK AND REDO OUR APPLICATIONS. 
          MAYBE WE WILL CLARIFY AUDIENCE AND PARTICIPANTS. 
          BUT THE, UM, UH, THE SIZE OF THE GRANT RELATIVE TO THE OTHER GRANTS THAT WE ARE MAKING AND THE SIZE OF THE AUDIENCE THAT THEY WILL REACH SEEMED, 
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UH, DISPROPORTIONATE. 
          ALSO, SOME OF THE EXPENSES SEEMED, UM, UNNECESSARILY LARGE, PARTICULARLY THE RENTAL AFTER THERE'S A SEPARATE, UH, REQUEST FOR, UM, UH, IN THE BUDGET PROVIDED FOR, UH, JANITORIAL SERVICES AND, AND THE LIKE, THEN TO HAVE A, AN ON TOP OF THAT RENTAL FEE, UH, TO THE CHURCH, WHICH WAS VERY HIGH. 
          UM, SEEMED, UH, UM, NOT QUITE ON TRACK. 
          THE, UM, UH, SO, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO BE, UH, REASONABLE IN OUR PROPORTIONATE AWARDING OF THE GRANTS. 
          UM, THERE WERE THREE THAT WE ELECTED NOT TO AWARD THE, OR RECOMMEND NOT TO AWARD. 
          AND THE FIRST IS CYT, UH, TRI-VALLEY. 
          UM, SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE ORGANIZATION THEY PUT ON PLAYS. 
          UM, THEY REALLY ARE ESSENTIALLY A CAMP FOR KIDS, A THEATER CAMP FOR KIDS. 
          UM, PEOPLE PAY TO ATTEND THEIR THEIR SHOWS. 
          THAT DOESN'T FULLY DISTINGUISH THEM FROM OTHER, UH, ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE AWARDING GRANTS TO, THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE FREE EVENTS. 
          BUT THE PARTICIPANTS ALSO PAY TO GO TO THEIR, TO ENROLL IN THEIR THEATER PROGRAM. 
          THEY'RE PAYING A FEE TO ENROLL IN THE THEATER PROGRAM. 
          THE PUBLIC IS PAYING A FEE TO ATTEND THE THEATER PROGRAM. 
          UM, IT STRUCK US AS SOMETHING THAT THEY SHOULD DO THEIR OWN FUNDRAISING FOR, RATHER THAN ASK THE CITY TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          UM, UH, JMC SELLERS WANTS TO DO AN ART AND WINE FESTIVAL. 
          UM, AND, UH, UM, THIS IS, UH, TO, UM, PROVIDE MONEY TO PAY FOR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE, THE FESTIVAL. 
          UM, IT WILL, UM, BRING PEOPLE TO THEIR BUSINESS. 
          THAT IS TRUE. 
          UM, THE, UH, THIS DID NOT STRIKE US AS DIFFERENT FROM THE MANY WINERIES IN THE IN LIVERMORE THAT DO PUT ON PAY FOR THEIR OWN ARTISTS, UH, TO PERFORM AND DO STUFF SO THAT PEOPLE WILL COME AND BUY THEIR WINE. 
          UM, SO, UH, IT JUST STRUCK US AS PROBABLY NOT THE KIND OF EVENT. 
          IT HAD NO SUPPORT. 
          THERE WAS NO SUPPORT SYSTEM. 
          IT WASN'T IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, THEY COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY REACHED OUT TO SAY, UM, THE LIVERMORE ART ASSOCIATION TO WORK IN COOPERATION WITH THEM TO PLACE A LIVERMORE ART ASSOCIATION EVENT THERE. 
          BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A CONFLICT FOR LIVERMORE ART ASSOCIATION, WHICH ALSO APPLIES FOR ITS OWN GRANT. 
          SO THERE, UM, UH, THEY PROBABLY COULD HAVE, UH, WORKED ON THIS TO BEEF IT UP A LITTLE BIT. 
          MAYBE THEY WILL, UH, FIGURE THIS OUT IN THE FUTURE. 
          FINALLY, LIVERMORE VALLEY, VETERANS OF FOREIGN WARS WANTS TO PUT UP A STATUE. 
          THEY WANNA PUT UP THE STATUE IN THE, UH, VFW HALL. 
          THEY, UM, WANT TO THEN ROLL THAT STATUE OUT INTO THE PUBLIC FOR VARIOUS EVENTS, I PRESUME FOR VETERAN'S DAY. 
          UM, THE, UH, THE REQUEST WAS TO BUY A, AN, UM, BASICALLY OUT OF A CATALOG STATUE, NOT TO COMMISSION AN ARTIST. 
          UM, AND THEIR, THEIR CLAIM IS THAT, IF I COULD FIND THIS CORRECTLY, UM, UH, THAT THE, UM, OH, HERE IT'S, UM, FUNDS WILL BE USED TO COMMISSION A COMMISSION. 
          I THINK THEY USE LOOSELY, A FALLEN SOLDIER BATTLE CROSS STATUE, PLAQUE AND DISPLAY STAND, WHICH WILL BE INSTALLED AND HOUSED IN THE LIVERMORE VETERANS MEMORIAL BUILDING AS PART OF THE VFWS LARGER GOAL OF HONOR, THE SERVICE OF THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE US, AND A LONGER TERM PROJECT WITH THE LIVERMORE HERITAGE SOCIETY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CITY'S MILITARY HISTORY. 
          THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INTENDED TO REACH THEIR AUDIENCE IS ESTIMATED AT 90,000, WHICH, UM, WOULD BE TREMENDOUS ACCOMPLISHMENT SINCE THERE AREN'T THAT MANY PEOPLE IN LIVERMORE. 
          UM, UH, THE, UM, 
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THIS, UH, D UM, I, I WISH I COULD, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME FILL THIS IN. 
          UH, THOMAS AND I, I KNOW THAT WE, WE THOUGHT THIS IS GOING TO BE INSIDE THEIR BUILDING. 
          VERY FEW PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY SEE THIS STATUE. 
          UM, IT DID NOT STRIKE US AS HAVING, UM, GREAT SIGNIFICANCE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, PUBLIC'S NEED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ART, THOMAS, AND DID I MISS SOMETHING? UM, I, I THINK WE JUST UNANIMOUSLY VOTED, VOTED IT DOWN, BUT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY DISCUSS IT. 
          BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DIDN'T LIKE WAS THE FACT THAT IT WAS OUT OF A CATALOG. 
          UH, AND YEAH, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER. 
          THE MONEY GOES TO A LOCAL ARTIST. 
          UH, SO YEAH. 
          AND YES, THERE WERE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THEY SAID ABOUT, ABOUT IT IN THEIR APPLICATION THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE. 
          SO THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS REALLY HARD TO WADE THROUGH. 
          UM, SO THERE WE HAVE IT. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC ONES. 
          AND NATALIA, I THINK I SHOULD PROBABLY JUST LIKE GIVE IT BACK TO YOU FOR, TO MODERATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE HAVE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GRANTS. 
          YES. 
          SO IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT'S BEEN RECEIVED. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW DISCUSS . 
          I I HAVE C US I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THEY'RE A LITTLE FUN. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS ONE'S NOT REALLY. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, I'M GONNA MISPRONOUNCE, I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT TO MY NAME DEAS MOETT ONE, I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, AND I AM LOOKING AT THE, UM, THEIR APPLICATION FORM AND THE, THE BUDGET WORKSHEET. 
          HOW DID YOU GET FROM 7,500 TO 2,500? OH, UM, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT TO, UM, LINE ITEM THEIR BUDGET. 
          UM, IT'S NOT THAT WE SAID, OH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE THINK WE SHOULD FUND X EXPENSE OVER Y EXPENSE. 
          UM, THAT I, I THINK I DON'T HAVE GOOD CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT JUDGMENT. 
          UM, IT WAS A, UH, JUDGMENT OF RELATIVE VALUE IN MAKING A GRANT RELATIVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT PUT ON EVENTS FOR HUGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE, MAJOR PUBLIC EVENTS, UM, IN THE CITY, THE MAXIMUM THEY CAN GET IS $10,000. 
          THIS IS A RELATIVELY SMALL EVENT DESERVING OF SUPPORT. 
          AND SO WE, UM, WE ATTEMPTED TO FIND A WAY TO BE PROPORTIONATE, KEEPING IN MIND THE NATURE OF THE LIMITS ON OUR, UH, AVAILABLE MONEY TO DO GRANTS FOR A SECOND CYCLE THAT ARE GONNA COME UP. 
          UH, WE DIDN'T THINK FULL FUNDING MADE SENSE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE MORE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO FUND IN THE FALL. 
          SO THERE'S, IT'S ALL RELATIVE. 
          SO THAT MAKES IT ARBITRARY. 
          BUT IF I THINK IF WE HAD PICKED WHICH ITEMS TO FUND OUT OF THE BUDGET, IT WOULD'VE BEEN EQUALLY ARBITRARY. 
          SO YES, I THINK, UH, THERE WASN'T, IT WASN'T, UH, CALCULATED TO BE 2,500. 
          IT WAS JUST IN COMPARISON TO THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS BEING BROUGHT IN. 
          THAT WAS THE, THE MAIN THING. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS A, A LOW, UM, AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT IT WAS . 
          OH. 
          OH, IS IT ON? YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? MM. 
          THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE WORKING BETTER AND I'LL YELL INTO THIS ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YES. 
          OH YES. 
          UM, SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SMALL AUDIENCE THAT WAS GOING TO BE REACHED, UM, NOW WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC. 
          AFTER THINKING ABOUT THINGS, UM, ONCE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAD FINISHED DISCUSSING, I FEEL LIKE I STRONGLY FEEL THAT YOUNG NEW ARTISTS SHOULD BE FUNDED AND SUPPORTED BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR THEIR CAREER, IT'S GOOD FOR THEIR PSYCHE. 
          THEY REALIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN THEIR WORK. 
          AND I THINK IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL THING BECAUSE IT'S NEW AND I FEEL LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD 
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SUPPORT IT MORE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS $40,000 TO THINGS WE'VE SUPPORTED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH. 
          UM, IF WE ARE GOING TO GET, IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF, UH, HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING IN, THEN WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET QUITE A FEW FOR THE NEXT CYCLE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S QUITE A LOT. 
          AND MAYBE WE CAN SAVE 20,000 OFF THE BIG ONES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE NOT GOING OUT TO, UM, REACH THE COMMUNITY FOR FREE. 
          LIKE, OPERA IN SCHOOLS IS AN EXCELLENT THING AND I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY NEED TO DO THAT. 
          BUT THEN THE SHEIN ARMY, THE FILIPINO, THE LIVING, WELL THE VALLEY ARTS I SUPPOSE, BUT IN SPARK THEATER WHO'S JUST PUTTING ON A PERFORMANCE BUT NOT DOING ANY OUTREACH, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY FROM THERE, PUT IT IN THE KITTY AND GIVE SOME MORE MONEY TO, ON MARQUETTE, BECAUSE HE'S YOUNG, HE'S DOING SOMETHING GREAT, HE NEEDS SUPPORT COMMISSIONER LANE. 
          SO JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT OPERA IN THE SCHOOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE SAID WE WANT TO PUT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY DOWNSTREAM. 
          BOB, YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THIS, BUT IT REALLY SILLY THAT THIS COMES IN EVERY YEAR THIS WAY AS THE SAME GRANT, WHICH SHOULD BE A SEPARATE LINE IN THE BUDGET FOR SCHOOL ORIENTED PROGRAMS THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA FUND EVERY YEAR. 
          AND TO YOUR POINT, THOMAS, AND YOU KNOW, IT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO COMPETE WITH ARTISTS WHO ARE PUTTING IN SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS. 
          THEN THERE MAY BE, THERE MAY BE OTHERS ON HERE TOO, BUT THAT ONE IS ONE THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR. 
           AS AS WHY DO WE EVEN, YOU KNOW, USE UP THEIR TIME PUTTING IN A NEW APPLICATION? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YEAH, OUTSIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION OF JUST APPROVING THESE PROGRAM AND PROJECT GRANTS THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS AS, AS AN INITIATIVE THAT WE CAN FULFILL ON AS A COMMISSION. 
          IT'S BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD SOMEBODY ON THIS COMMISSION OR A GROUP, UH, INDIVIDUAL AD HOC ON THIS COMMISSION COME FORWARD AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT THAT SCOPE LOOKS LIKE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO THAT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY I'M, WE'RE, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSING ON JUST THESE PROGRAM AND PROJECT GRANTS THAT ARE UP HERE. 
          BUT I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY REDISCUSS COMMISSIONER DI ALICE. 
          YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THE COMMENT ON ARBITRARY. 
          IT, IT DEFINITELY FEELS VERY ARBITRARY TO ME ON THE 7,500 TO 2,500. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT CONVERSATION HAS COME UP WITH A FEW OTHERS IN THE PAST. 
          BUT I, I, YOU KNOW, AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER K'S QUESTION ABOUT HOW YOU MESSAGE THINGS BACK TO PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER DENIED OR DON'T RECEIVE THE FULL AMOUNT, IF IT'S AN ARBITRARY DECISION THAT LED TO THAT, HOW IS THAT EVEN ATTEMPTED TO BE EXPLAINED SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND ARE BETTER PREPARED, HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TIME THEY COME AND ASK. 
          THAT'S JUST MY COMMENTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COMMISSIONER KGI, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S KIND SIMILAR THINKING. 
          THE, THE ONES THAT WE SEE THAT ARE EVERY YEAR COMING, DO THEY REALLY NEED FULL 10,000? THAT'S THE, UH, THAT'S ONE QUESTION BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, IT'S THE SAME. 
          AND I I I KINDA THINKING THAT, UH, IF WE DEEMED, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER GRANT I, UH, WE CAN TALK LATER FOR ANOTHER TOPIC, BUT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE EITHER WE GIVE ALL OR WE DON'T GIVE. 
          NO, I THINK BECAUSE IF YOU, AS KATHLEEN MENTIONED, HOW DO YOU TELL THEM YOU DIDN'T GET IT AND HERE'S THE SEVEN REASON YOU DIDN'T GET IT OR YOU JUST DIDN'T GET IT, PERIOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR. 
          WHAT IS THE REASON YOU DIDN'T GET IT OR DIDN'T GET THE FULL AMOUNT, OR YOU GOT ONLY THIS MUCH, RIGHT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, UH, I THINK IN, IN, IN THAT SENSE, UH, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER, UH, JUST, UH, SAVE SOME MONEY AND THEN A FLAT REDUCTION FOR ALL THE 10 THOUSANDS. 
          'CAUSE THERE THERE'S LIKE FOUR SO MANY MORE PEOPLE COULD APPLY BASED ON WHAT WE SEE. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT GETS TRICKY BECAUSE THEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ALMOST, I, I GUESS, PUNISHING THOSE WHO HAVE RECURRING EVENTS. 
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AND SO THAT IT, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST ITS OWN CATEGORY. 
          THAT'S WHY I'D STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE SAVE THIS STUFF DISCUSSION FOR SOMETHING THAT, DO WE WANT TO AT LOOK AT AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WILL FURTHER CLARIFY THIS FOR US, OR WORKING WITH THE CITY TO SEE WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT IS NEXT, UH, IS, IS A GREAT NEXT STEP FOR US OUTSIDE OF THIS. 
          UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS HOW DO WE DETERMINE SPECIFIC FUNDING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN A LARGER GRANT IS, IS, UM, APPLIED FOR? I THINK MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE OF WHEN WE DECIDE TO REDUCE A GRANT IS ARE WE PULLING THAT FROM A LINE ITEM OR ARE WE MAKING UP MORE OF WHAT WE BELIEVE THIS SHOULD BE. 
          AND MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AS A, AS A COMMISSION, WE SHOULD DECIDE WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO GRANT A GRANT, A GRANT FOR THE FULL FUNDS, WHAT IS THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE FUNDING LINE? AND SHOULD IT COME DOWN TO A TRUE LINE ITEM EXPENSE WITHIN THE PROJECT EXPENSE CATEGORY? SO SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER FOR SURE. 
          JUST JUST TO FINISH THAT, TODD, SO WE, AS A FULL COMMISSION, ARE, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED 10,000, BUT WE ARE UNABLE TO SAY WE ONLY GIVE 8,000 FOR THEM? YOU CAN DI OR THIS IS THE DISCUSSION PORTION IF YOU HAVE OTHER OKAY. 
          I DID. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          FOR, UH, FOR THE PURPOSE OF KNOWING EVERY YEAR THIS HAPPENS, AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU GOT SO MANY, AND THEN WE NEED SOME FUNDS FOR FUTURE APPLICATIONS WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE AT LEAST MY RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE BY FLAT SOMETHING. 
          I MEAN, AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT SEEING A REAL REASON WHY ANYONE ELSE IS, IS SAYING THAT, OH, I, I AM GIVING 10 THS, FOR EXAMPLE, GIVING $10,000 TO THE LIVERMORE VALLEY OPERA, AND I'M GIVING THAT TO THEM, BUT I WISH I COULD HAVE GIVEN MONEY, MORE MONEY TO ANOTHER CANDIDATE WHO WERE NOT GIVING THAT. 
          SO I, I'M NOT SEEING THAT AS KIND OF A, A, A, UM, A LEVERAGE TOOL HERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE, BUT BASED OFF OF THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, I HAVEN'T SEEN IT PRESENTED LIKE THIS, BUT I SAW COMMISSIONER MILDER WAS NEXT. 
          I SAW WHO RAISED HIS HAND. 
          UM, I, I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT WE ARE NOT ARBITRARY IN THAT DECISION. 
          UM, THE AMOUNT IS ARBITRARY, BUT THE LOGIC IS NOT, AND IT'S VERY EASY TO EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANT THE REASON WE DID NOT AWARD YOU THE FULL REQUEST IS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE AUDIENCE THAT THE EVENT IS ANTICIPATED TO REACH. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT, AND THEN WHY ONE THIRD, I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE? WHAT KIND OF, WITH THAT COMMENT THERE, THAT, WHAT WAS THE MATH THAT YOU USED TO APPLY? WE DID NOT HAVE ANY METH. 
          I SAID THE AMOUNT THAT WE REDUCED THE, THE, UH, GRANT BY WAS ARBITRARY. 
          I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ACKNOWLEDGING THAT PART, BUT THE LOGIC IS NOT, AND IF YOU WANNA EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET THE FULL AMOUNT YOU REQUESTED? WELL, WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS A WORTHWHILE PROGRAM TO FUND, IS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE AUDIENCE. 
          NOW, IT'S TRUE WE COULD DEVELOP SUCH CRITERIA. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THEM SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THEM. 
          WE DID THE BEST WE COULD. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT AS A COMMISSION RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DIDN'T MAKE UP CRITERIA. 
          WE DIDN'T CREATE SOME FORMULA. 
          AND IF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO MOVE THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD DO. 
          I'D LIKE TO SPEAK FURTHER TO THE POINT ABOUT REDUCING THE GRANTS OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND TO BE FULLY FUNDED. 
          UM, I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY IN DOING THAT. 
          I, THERE'S PERFECTLY GOOD REASON TO SAY, HEY, SOMEBODY ASKED FOR THIS AMOUNT. 
          WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT, BUT THE COMMISSION THINKS, NO, ACTUALLY THEY SHOULD GET THAT AMOUNT AND THAT FINE. 
          SO BE IT. 
          IT GIVES US THAT MUCH LESS AMOUNT TO AWARD NEXT TIME. 
          UM, I, I THINK WE ARE NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS NOT GETTING THEIR GRANT THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN REPEATEDLY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY REPEATEDLY GET A GRANT. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A TERRIBLE THING TO DO TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO NOT SUPPORT THEM. 
          MOST OF THEM ARE ACTIVELY FUNDRAISING. 
          THEY'RE GETTING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
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THEY'RE DOING THEIR WORK. 
          THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT TOO. 
          AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MEET THEM TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CITY CAN, MOST OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ALSO BRING IN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT TO THE CITY. 
          THEY BRING IN VISITORS. 
          THOSE VISITORS ALSO SPEND MONEY IN THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THESE BIG EVENTS THAT HAPPEN, LIKE, UH, CMI OR LIVERMORE FILIPINO ORGANIZATION, THESE ARE BIG EVENTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THIS ATTRACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO THE CITY, UM, THAT THEY'VE DONE THEM BEFORE AND HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          ALL THE MORE REASON TO SUPPORT THEM ALL. 
          THE MORE REASON WHY THE CITY SHOULD STAND BEHIND THEM. 
          ORGANIZATIONS LIKE SPARK, WHICH DOES TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FUNDRAISING. 
          THE, UH, THE OTHERS, LIVERMORE VALLEY ARTS, UM, LIVERMORE VALLEY OPERA. 
          UM, I SEE EVERY REASON WHY THE CITY SHOULD ACTUALLY SHOW THESE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          WE WANT THEM HERE AND WE WANT TO SUPPORT THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY ABLE TO ASK FOR ONE GRANT. 
          IS IT EACH YEAR OR EACH CYCLE? EACH ORGANIZATION WOULD ONLY BE AWARDED ONE PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANT FOR EACH FISCAL YEAR. 
          FISCAL YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THESE LARGE EVENTS ARE NOT GONNA COME BACK TO US IN THE FALL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, WE WILL PROBABLY PICK UP ONE FROM, UH, LIVERMORE VALLEY ARTS FOR THE NEXT CYCLE, FOR THEIR SPRING STUFF. 
          BUT I, UH, NO THAT THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN THE MINI GRAND CATEGORY. 
          I GUESS. 
          AT ANY RATE, I'M, I'M ADVOCATING THAT WE AWARD THE MONEY THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF AWARDING, THAT WE GIVE IT AWAY, AND THAT WE, UH, GIVE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THE SUPPORT THAT I THINK THEY DESERVE. 
          THEY'VE DONE THEIR WORK. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH AWARDING MORE MONEY TO SOMEBODY WHO WE WERE HESITANT TO DO SO. 
          SEEMED NOT ALIGNED TO US. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          BUT THERE'S NO PRINCIPLED REASON. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND YOU, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S, I, I SEE YOU, COMMISSIONER LANE, I'LL GET RIGHT TO YOU. 
          UM, IS THAT WE DO STILL HAVE FUNDS THAT WE HADN'T USED YET, OBVIOUSLY. 
          SO THERE WAS NOT AN, THERE WAS NOT A CONVERSATION, I'M ASSUMING, IN THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE OF WE MUST REDUCE FUNDS BECAUSE WE ARE AT CAPACITY. 
          SO I I, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS BROUGHT FORWARD IN TERMS OF YOUR JUSTIFICATION. 
          I THINK, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCRETIONARY OVER, WE, YOU'VE MADE THIS DECISION BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE APPLICATION. 
          HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE FROM GRANT CYCLE TO GRANT CYCLE? ARE WE KEEPING TRACK OF THAT? DO WE ALWAYS ONLY GIVE 25%, 50%, 75% OR ANOTHER NUMBER BASED OFF OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT OCCUR THROUGHOUT THE GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS? IT GOES A LITTLE BIT BACK TO MORE THE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE GRANT CYCLES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT IS SOMEBODY TO SAY, WELL, YOU GAVE ME A REDUCTION HERE, BUT YOU GAVE THIS PERSON A REDUCTION, BUT THEIR REDUCTION WAS LESS THAN MINE. 
          SO WHERE DOES THAT FALL INTO PLACE? SO I, I TOTALLY SEE THE NEED THERE, BUT I WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT I'M NOT, I AM NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY, UH, THERE WAS ANY REASON TO GO DOWN THE, THE RABBIT HOLE OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT WEREN'T FULLY FUNDING TO GO LESS THAN THAT OF WHAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER LANE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A WHILE. 
          I'D LIKE TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND SAY, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HEAR WHAT ONE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS SAID EARLIER WHO HAS HER PULSE ON THE ARTISTS IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I HEARD A CASUAL RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST TO INCREASE THAT $2,500 AWARD. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY ENDORSE THAT AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. 
          IS THERE A NUMBER NUMERICAL RECOMMENDATION YOU HAVE? UM, I DON'T, AND LAST TIME I JUST PULLED IT OUT OF A HAT, SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I, I WOULD SAY THE SENSE, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE TIME TO REVISIT IT THIS APPLICATION AND MAKE AN ACTUAL INFORMED DECISION ON WHAT IS A GOOD AMOUNT TO GIVE THEM AT THIS POINT? IF THERE'S NOT A DEFECT IN THE APPLICATION, IF THERE'S NOT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO KIND OF CONSIDER THE MERITS OF THIS, GENERALLY THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TODAY, YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME THAT YOU NEED TO DISCUSS IT. 
          UM, NOW, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT FOR 
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OTHER PEOPLE TO SUGGEST A LIKELY AMOUNT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT CAN BE MORE THAN 25 IF EVERYONE DOES HAVE THEIR DEVICES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS, UM, ON, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION, I SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE APPLICATION FORM OF THAT SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BRING IT UP. 
          OH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT SUPPORT AND PROJECT EXPENSE LINE ITEMS, AND MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION DIRECTLY FROM THOSE LINE ITEMS. COMMISSIONER GOSMAN, I'M INFLUENCED ALSO BY THE, UH, IMPACT OF HOW BIG THE AUDIENCE IS, WHATEVER THE PROJECT. 
          AND I FORGOT, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY WHAT WAS THE, IN HOW, HOW, WHAT WAS THE INTENDED AUDIENCE SIZE? 500. 
          500 MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD SIZE. 
          SIZE. 
          SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS FUNDING MORE MONEY. 
          UH, UH, WE'VE, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD GRANTS WHERE THERE'LL BE A VERY SMALL AUDIENCE, MAYBE 20, 30. 
          AND I TEND TO THINK THEY SHOULDN'T GET AS MUCH MONEY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IMPACTING AS MANY PEOPLE. 
          BUT I THINK FIVE HUNDRED'S A GENEROUS SIZE AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO SUPPORT WITH MORE FUNDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          AND IF WE CAN GO TO PAGE SIX OF THIS APPLICATION. 
          SO IN TAKING A LOOK AT THIS SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE AT THE TOP OUR PROJECT, UM, PROJECT AND PROGRAM GRANT AMOUNT REQUESTED, WHICH IS WHERE THEY, UH, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY CAME UP WITH THE $7,500 NUMBER. 
          UM, AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THE EARNED REVENUE FROM FILMMAKER SCREENING PACKAGE, PLUS THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES. 
          AND DOWN BELOW WE SEE THE PROJECT EXPENSES. 
          AND SO THERE ARE SOME SMALLER DOLLAR AMOUNTS THERE. 
          THERE ACTUALLY IS A $2,500 LINEUP. 
          THERE'S TWO, TWO OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT IF WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL FUNDING, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT HERE AND, UM, DETERMINE WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO FUND FROM HERE. 
          IF WE'RE WANTING TO INCREASE THIS FROM 2,500, I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          UM, IF ANYONE HAS ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS, COULD WE MAKE IT A BIT BIGGER?   BIGGER IN, UH, ? I MEAN, I CAN'T SEE. 
          OH. 
          OH, THAT'S IT. 
          I'M LIKE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE WHAT DO WANTS? OH, MORE MONEY BIT BIGGER. 
          YOU MEANT THE FONT SIZE. 
          THAT'S FUNNY. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          I SURE THE MINUTES WILL REFLECT THAT VERY WELL. 
          , OH, SORRY, COMMISSIONER, ASK, BASED ON MY REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, UM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AWARDING THE FULL AMOUNT REQUESTED YOU GO. 
          UM, YES, THE EXPENSES SEEM VERY REASONABLE. 
          I WOULD DO THAT TOO. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT'S A WORKSHOP, SO IT'S MORE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE WORKSHOP RATHER THAN THE AUDIENCE. 
          AND I THINK 550 PEOPLE IN A WORKSHOP IS QUITE A BIG AMOUNT. 
          I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM THIS QUITE A LOT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I WILL SAY IN THE GENERAL EXPENSES OF THIS ALONE, THAT'S 71 50 ALREADY IN JUST THE GENERAL EXPENSES. 
          AND SO THERE'S ACTUALLY AN ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL EXPENSE THAT'S ABOVE THE, THAT $7,500 THRESHOLD THAT OTHER FUNDING IS COMING FROM, FROM IN KIND CONTRIBUTIONS AND OTHER, UM, PROJECT SUPPORT. 
          SO I WOULD ALSO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT DECISION IF WE SO CHOOSE. 
          COMMISSIONER MILDER, THIS IS JUST A, A CLARIFICATION ABOUT IN KIND CONTRIBUTIONS, THE, THE ONE IN KIND CONTRIBUTION THEY HAVE LISTED IS INKIN DONATION OF VENUE FACILITIES WITH A FAIR MARKET VALUE OF $5,000, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE, THAT TRUTHFULLY, IF THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN THEIR BUDGET, THINGS LIKE, UM, UH, VENUE RENTAL, UH, UNDER GENERAL ABOVE, THEY PUT, YOU KNOW, VENUE RENTAL, WHICH IS GONNA GO FOR STAFFING, JANITORIAL AND FEES. 
          AND THEN THEY'RE SAYING, OH, AND, AND CROSSWORDS IS GIVING US A $5,000 IN KIND DONATION OF USING THEIR SPACE. 
          IT, IT JUST SEEMS, UM, INFLATED IN TERMS OF THE VALUE OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IN KIND, THE IN KIND DONATION, THE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH, WITH INCLUDING, UH, RENTAL AS A, UH, BOTH, UH, AN EXPENSE AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, 
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UH, A CERTAIN AMOUNT MIGHT BE AN IN-KIND DONATION. 
          I, I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          AND I'M, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT'S A GREAT SPACE FOR THE EVENT, LIKE REALLY WELL SUITED TO THEM. 
          UH, UM, BUT IT DIDN'T ADD UP. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. 
          IT'S NOT, IT IS, IT IS NOT A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING AN AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          I REALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASSESS THAT, BUT, BUT THAT PIECE JUST OF THE BUDGET, UM, AND, AND THEN OH, YEAH. 
          WELL, THEY, THEY GOT $5,000 FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR AN IN KIND AND THEY ASKING FOR SEVERAL 500 SOMETHING, SOMETHING DIDN'T ADD UP THERE FOR ME. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THAT $2,000 AS LIKE SECURITY JANITORIAL IT, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT THE ACTUAL, UH, VENUE, WHAT YOU WOULD PAY RIGHT. 
          IF YOU WERE SECURING THE VENUE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I, I THINK THAT'S HOW I WAS, RIGHT. 
          CONSTRUING IT MM-HMM . 
          AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF VENUE, IT COULD ALSO REQUIRE TRUE UNION LABOR WORKERS, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          AS WE ALL KNOW, , UH, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE CASE ACROSS, DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF, THE TYPE OF, UH, THAT'S NOT  WELL FOR THE TYPE OF EVENT, NOT FOR THE ACTUAL FACILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SO THE ONLY THING ABOUT THE IN KIND IS 5,000 IS NOT HALF, IT'S NOT 50% OF 7,500. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE OFF BALANCE IN TERMS OF MATCHING FUNDS. 
          COMMISSIONER KELLY? YEAH, I, AGAIN, I I, I DIDN'T WANNA BRING UP, UH, LAST YEAR WE HAD A SIMILAR THING WHERE SOMEONE ASKED FOR A 10,000, I THINK WE SAID 5,000, AND THEN WE WENT BACK AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND THEN GAVE THEM 8,000. 
          AND, UH, THE CRITERIA AT THAT TIME WAS MAINLY THE MONEY WAS GOING TO THE PRODUCER. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, SO, SO HERE I'M LOOKING AT, UH, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MIDDLE PROJECT EXPENSE PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY PERSONNEL IS ALMOST $8,000 JUST FOR PEOPLE. 
          SO IS IS, I THINK THAT THIS IS, AGAIN, ONE OF THOSE WHERE EITHER WE GIVE THEM ALL, OR IT IS VERY HARD TO JUSTIFY SOMETHING LESS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S EITHER YOU GIVE ALL OR NONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE I, I THINK I HAD HARD TIME LAST TIME THAT HOW WE GOT UP TO 8,000, IT, IT JUST, IT WAS JUST UN UNEXPLAINABLE TO THE RECIPIENT. 
          YOU ONLY GOT 8,000. 
          WHAT IS THE REASON, RIGHT. 
          I THINK WHEN THE FORM WAS COMPLETELY FULL AND MET ALL THE CHECK BOXES MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          EITHER YOU SHOULD SAY YES OR NO. 
          YEAH. 
          PERIOD. 
          RIGHT. 
          I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE, THE, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN THE SAME THING HERE IS IF WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM FULL 10,000 BASED ON THE FACT THAT A GREAT AMOUNT OF THE ASK WAS GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE FEES, HERE WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING. 
          IT IS MORE THAN HALF OF THE TOTAL EXPENSES JUST FOR THE PEOPLE FEES. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 7,500, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? I KNOW, BUT UH, AND THE MATCHING, THEY HAVE CASH, THEY DO IT FOR THE MATCHING, SO THEY'RE MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED WITH EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, THEY RUN THE BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA RENT, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ARTISTS, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, YOU CAN'T PAY EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOT THE ARTIST. 
          THESE PEOPLE ARE NECESSARY TO THIS PRODUCTION. 
          I, I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          I THINK WHY WE DID DIDN'T GET LAST TIME, UH, I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER THAT. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          WELL, THAT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSSION THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BRING UP IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT IF WE FEEL THAT WE'RE ALREADY READY TO AT LEAST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR A CONSIDERATION TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT A LITTLE BIT RUNNING AROUND IN OUR CIRCLES. 
          SO CAN, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE OR WHERE ARE, IS THERE ANY WE IN THE PROCESS? SO WHERE I HEAR THAT WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS IS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE GRANT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED FOR 2,500 FOR THE FULL AMOUNT OF ACTUALLY 7,500. 
          SO MOVED. 
          THAT WAS SO SECONDED. 
          WELL SAID. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE CLARIFY THE MOTION? MM-HMM . 
          PLEASE. 
          SO WE ARE MOVING WITH THE MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, WITH THE EXCEPTION 
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OF THE DIODES MOETT APPLICANT, WHERE INSTEAD OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF $2,500, WE WOULD LIKE TO FUND THE FULL $7,500. 
          AND WE HAVE A MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER DE ALICE, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GOSSMAN AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          , DO WE, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE IS RIGHT. 
          IS THAT ARE ALL IN FAVOR? SO, NO, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE ONE OPPOSED? WE, THE MOTION STILL PASSES AND WE APPROVE THE PROJECT AND PROGRAM APPLICATIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH THE ONE RECOMMENDATION EXCEPTION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY NOTATED. 
          SO WE CAN CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT WONDERFUL OPEN ITEM 5.5. 
          NEXT UP IS A REPORT FROM THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? YES. 
          JUST A BRIEF STAFF REPORT. 
          THIS MONTH'S ITEM FOR THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL, UM, IS AN UPDATE FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND THE TWO DRAFT, OR SORRY, THREE DRAFT DOCUMENTS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON, UM, I THINK AT BEST AT THIS POINT, TO TURN IT OVER TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO GIVE AN ORAL REPORT ON THEIR WORK AND WHERE THEY'RE AT. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TOPIC CAME UP IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND THEN, UH, FOR VARIOUS REASONS WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET AGAIN. 
          SO, BUT WE MET, UH, TWICE, UH, LAST, UH, LAST MONTH, EARLY THIS MONTH, UH, ALONG WITH THE, THE CITY STAFF. 
          AND THEN THE INITIAL FEEDBACK WHEN THE FIRST TIME WE PRESENTED THE DRAFT WAS THAT IT WAS TOO OPEN-ENDED AND CONCERN THAT WE COULD COLLECT INFORMATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. 
          I THINK THAT WAS, SO THE FEEDBACK WAS TO GO BACK AND, AND RE REVISIT HOW WE INTEND TO COMMUNICATE TO THE ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AND THEN, SO WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK, AND THEN IN THE TEAM WE TALKED ABOUT, HEY, THERE ARE ALREADY SOME PEOPLE WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO AND SOME THAT WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO. 
          SO THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT WE COULD COMMUNICATE. 
          AND SO WE FELT IT WAS BETTER TO DRAFT A LETTER THAT SOMEONE, IF BOB OR THOMASON KNEW ALREADY SOMEBODY THAT THEY COULD SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA SEND THIS TO YOU. 
          AND SO THEY, IT'LL BE EASIER TO SAY, OR I DON'T KNOW ANYONE TO, THE WINE CONTROLS IS, I'M JUST COLD CALLING. 
          RIGHT? SO THE, WE WANTED TO SEPARATE THE TWO. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WAS THE, THE ATTACHMENT. 
          THE ATTACHMENT. 
          WE WANTED TO MAKE IT ALONG WITH THE C'S, UH, FEEDBACK TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE A INFO, LIKE A, LIKE A FLYER KIND OF THING, SO THAT WE, IT'LL BE MORE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO SEE CLICK AND THEN, UH, LOOK AT LEARN MORE ABOUT THE ARTS COMMISSION. 
          SO I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE DOCUMENT THAT WE CAME UP WITH. 
          SO WE COULD LOOK AT THE, UH, THE VERSION ONE LETTER. 
          YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. 
          AND SO SIMPLY THIS ONE, BASICALLY THIS IS THE NEW PERSON THAT I, I, WE DON'T KNOW WHO THAT PERSON WHO WE ARE SENDING IT TO, UH, AS A COMMISSIONER? UH, NO, ACTUALLY THIS WAS THE, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WE KNOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE AS A COMMISSIONER ON THE CITY OF COMMITTEE, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION RELATED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          SO THAT, UH, UM, AND THEN THE LETTER SIMPLY SAYS THAT THE CITY PLAN, WE ARE FOCUSING ON STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP AS ONE OF THE PILLARS. 
          AND THEN AS A PARTNER IN THE CITY, WE WANNA ENSURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF OUR ORGANIZATION AND WHAT RESOURCES AVAILABLE. 
          THEREFORE, WE'RE SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AND THE ATTACHMENT THAT GIVE MORE INFORMATION, UH, ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION AND ASKING THEM TO LOOK AT IT. 
          AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING MORE. 
          AND THEN THE INTERESTING, WHAT WE PUT IN THE BOTTOM IS INSTEAD OF ORIGINALLY WE INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE WITH MY NAME, MY NAME, AND THEN EMAIL. 
          SO THEY GO DIRECT COMMUNICATION. 
          AND THIS TIME WE SAID IT BETTER COME THROUGH THE CITY. 
          SO THE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION 
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WOULD BE THROUGH THE EMAIL AT ARTS AT LIVERMORE CA GOV WHERE THE STAFF WOULD LOOK AT WHO IT IS COMING FROM, AND THEN THEY WOULD TRIAGE WHO, WHICH COMMISSIONER WOULD, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH THEM, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THAT WAS THE, UM, THAT WAS THE APPROACH ON THIS ONE. 
          AND THEN IF I COULD JUST FINISH THE THREE, THEN IT'LL BE EASIER, I THINK. 
          GO TO THE NEXT, UH, UH, LETTER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THIS ONE IS A CALLED CALL LETTER, RIGHT? I, I'M SO AND SO I'M A COMMISSIONER, AND AS PART OF THE COMMISSION'S, UH, WORK PLAN, WE ARE FOCUSING ON STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP. 
          AND THEN WE WANNA LET YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, ABOUT MORE ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION AND WHAT RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          AND SIMILARLY, THE SAME, SAME LETTER, UM, UH, THE DRAFT HERE. 
          SO, AND THE LAST ONE WAS THE ATTACHMENT, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP. 
          I THINK, SO THIS, THIS WAS MORE LIKE A, AGAIN, IT'S A DRAFT VERSION, IT'S A FLYER, UH, WHAT THE CITY ARTS COMMISSION, UH, DOES. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE DEVELOPED THE ARTS RELATED INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE THAT PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT IT. 
          AND THEN THE CREATIVE LIVERMORE, UM, UH, FRAMEWORK THAT SHOWS WHAT IS THE ARTS AND CULTURE, UH, THAT WAS DEVELOPED AS OF 2022. 
          AND THEN THEY COULD LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENT AND LEARN MORE. 
          AND THEN THE PUBLIC ART GUIDE WAS SIMPLY, WHICH EVEN FOR ME, IT WAS, UH, GREAT TO SEE THAT. 
          I THINK HE, WHICH I ALWAYS WANNA LOOK AT. 
          THERE'S A GOOGLE MAP LINK THAT LOOK AT IT, AND THEN IT SHOWS THERE'S LIKE 150 DIFFERENT PIECES OF ART THAT ARE ALL OVER THE CITY. 
          AND THEN IT TELLS YOU WHERE IT IS AND YOU COULD GO LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW? AND THEN THE LAST PIECE WAS HOW DO YOU CONTACT THE COMMISSION AND VARIOUS, UH, APPROACHES OF HOW YOU CONTACT THEM. 
          SO THIS WAS A FLYER KIND OF THING THAT WE COULD, UH, WE THOUGHT WOULD BE ATTACHED, AND THEN MAYBE WE COULD JUST PUT IT ON BILLBOARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR, UH, UH, PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THE COMMISSION. 
          SO ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANNA ADD BEFORE, UH, WE OPEN IT? NO. 
          YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? I WOULD LIKE TO ADD FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE WAS DIFFICULT WITH THIS, AND I SHARED THIS WITH THE GROUP THAT THEY MET, IS THAT I'M STILL JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED ON EXACTLY WHAT THE HOPE IS TO COME OUT OF THIS. 
          AND MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS, I, I GET THE CONNECTION, UM, THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE WITH PEOPLE, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS, UH, WITH INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS, I NEED MORE INFORMATION TO SUPPORT THIS. 
          SO I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT RELATIONSHIP LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO, AND AS, AS I EXPLAINED, AND I'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM MULTIPLE LEVELS WITHIN THE CITY, UH, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING FISHING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE REACHING OUT TO EVERYBODY AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, COME AND TELL US, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT WORKING. 
          UM, OR, YOU KNOW, YOUR ENTIRE WISHLIST. 
          IF THE APPROACH IS, WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE THROUGH THE ARTS, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, IF THE APPROACH IS TO JUST START A, UH, A COMMUNICATION WITH AN INDIVIDUAL GROUP, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL. 
          BUT I JUST WANT BE, I THINK THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE REALLY, REALLY DEFINED ON EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO GET OUTTA EACH ONE. 
          IF WE GET TO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE, UM, 60 PARTNERS AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ACTIVE COMMUNICATION WITH ALL OF THEM, THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT ON STAFF. 
          I THINK, FRANKLY, THAT'S GONNA BE A LOT FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          UM, I ALSO DON'T WANT THE COMMISSION TO GET IN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, AND THIS IS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION, WAS ABOUT WHETHER A COMMISSIONER WOULD GO REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE DIRECTLY FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR OWN EMAIL ADDRESS, OR WHETHER IT WAS A LEVEL OF, HEY, YOU KNOW, UH, HERE'S THE GENERIC, OR, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL EMAIL BOX. 
          AND THEN STAFF WORKS ON SCREENING THAT AND MAKING THE CONNECTION WITH THE APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER. 
          AND WE, WE WERE ABLE TO HAMMER SOME OF THAT OUT, I FELT LIKE, AND WE HAD A GENERAL CONSENSUS THERE, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY THINK THIS LOOKS LIKE AT THE END. 
          LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF IT AND WHAT THESE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNICATIONS WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          MM-HMM. 
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DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN I JUST ADD MM-HMM . 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE ORIGINAL APPROACH WAS DEEMED, I THINK, UH, COMMISSION VERY CLEARLY SAID THAT THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED, IT WAS TOO OPEN-ENDED, THAT WE, UH, WE COULD GET LOTS OF FEEDBACK ON ALL THE ISSUE THEY HAD, AND THEN WE WOULD SET SOME EXPECTATION THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIX THEM OR SOMETHING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK SO THIS TIME, CLEARLY WE ARE NOT, IF YOU, IF YOU READ THE LETTER, WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT ON ANYTHING. 
          IT'S SIMPLY WE'RE COMMUNICATING, HERE'S THE ARTS COMMISSION, HERE'S A RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 
          IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, CONTACT US. 
          BASICALLY, WE JUST SAY, YOU JUST, UH, TELLING PEOPLE HERE, HERE WE ARE. 
          IT'S REALLY NO, NO EXPECTATION SET. 
          AND THEN IN THE END POINT OF YOU ASKED, UH, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE END POINT? I THINK IT WAS, UH, COULD BE ANYTHING. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK HE PRIMARILY, WE WANTED TO KIND OF COMMUNICATE WHO WE ARE. 
          THAT WAS THE MAIN PARTNERSHIP. 
          BUT COMMUNICATION, ONE OF THE PILLARS IS COMMUNICATING TO THE CITY, UM, MEMBERS THAT, THAT WE ARE HERE. 
          I THINK WE ALWAYS FELT THAT THERE'S SO MANY LIVERMORE ARTS ARE ASSOCIATION, LIVERMORE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. 
          I ALWAYS THOUGHT BEFORE I JOINED HERE THAT THAT WAS THE CITY COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE A CFA THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTS. 
          IT SEEMED LIKE NO ONE KNOWS US. 
          I THINK THAT WAS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF WHAT AT LEAST I WANTED TO DO. 
          SO I REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING, 'CAUSE WE MET TWICE RECENTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT WAS PART OF IT. 
          THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WAS THIS ABOUT DOCUMENTS SPEC SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON JUST INFORMING PEOPLE ABOUT WHO THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS IS? OR DID IT TURN INTO THIS HYBRID OF HERE'S WHO WE ARE AND HERE'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOU. 
          AND I FELT LIKE THAT'S WHERE WE CLOSER TO WHERE WE ENDED. 
          UM, I DO JUST WANNA MENTION IN CASE ANYBODY SEES THIS AND THEY THINK, WELL, THIS LOOKS KIND OF, UM,  HALF-BAKED. 
          THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A FINAL VERSION. 
          THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EDITING AND DESIGN AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT NEED TO HAPPEN, BUT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. 
          IS THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? IS THERE A SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE TO GO AND FOCUS ON WORKING ON ONE SPECIFIC THING? UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS, THIS IS STILL AT A DEVELOPMENT STAGE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          CAN I SEE IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS BEEN RECEIVED. 
          GREAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION. 
          COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR. 
          SO I, UH, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT WE'RE ALREADY OUT THERE TALKING TO PEOPLE. 
          AND IF IT'S, UH, WE MEET SOMEBODY IN A FORMAL SITUATION THAT HAS AN ORG OWN ORGANIZATION WHO WE FEEL COULD LEARN A BIT MORE ABOUT THE ASK COMMISSION, THEN THAT LETTER WOULD COME INTO PLAY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, I WOULD SAY MORE PARTNERSHIP. 
          I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, IS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. 
          'CAUSE IT MEANS LIKE, OKAY, WELL I'M GETTING SOMETHING. 
          WHAT ARE YOU GONNA GIVE ME? AND I'LL GIVE YOU THIS, WHICH MEANS LOTS OF WORK FOR THE COMMISSION, AND WE'RE JUST OFFERING WHAT WE OFFER TO EVERYBODY ANYWAY. 
          SO IT'S NOTHING SPECIFIC. 
          SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE MORE LIKE, UH, IN LINE OF COMMUNICATION AND OUTREACH, AND THEN BASICALLY IT'S JUST, HERE WE ARE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COME TO US, BUT IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT. 
          THEY HAVE A QUESTION, WE ANSWER IT. 
          IF THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN HELP 'EM WITH, THAT'S FINE. 
          IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE FUTURE THAT WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE CAN, UH, PARTNER, WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A SPECIFIC PARTNERSHIP, THEN WE'VE GOT ALL THESE PEOPLE ON FILE THAT WE CAN REACH OUT TO. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE LIKE A LONG-TERM PLAN. 
          IT'S JUST A, A MEANS OF, LIKE RAJ SAYS, COMMISSIONER KIG COMMUNICATING WITH OTHERS. 
          I JUST HAD A FUN THOUGHT JUST TO PONDER MM-HMM . 
          SO, AND THIS IS CHAIR CUSTODIAL. 
          SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, BUILDING OFF OF WHAT YOU SAID OF PARTNERSHIP. 
          IT, THERE IS THIS EXPECTATION OF IT'S, THERE'S SOME SORT OF TRANSACTION HAPPENING, RIGHT? AND SO TO ME, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SOME OF THEM ONES THAT WE HAD MENTIONED WHILE THEY'RE ARTS RELATED, SOME MORE SUCH AS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR THE CITY OF LIVERMORE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE IN MY TIME HERE, NOT HAD ANY PARTICIPATION WITH US IN THE PAST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTICIPATION. 
          AND IN THIS LAST COUPLE, UM, OF OPEN ITEMS THAT 
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WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSING RECURRING GRANTS, AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PART OF RECURRING GRANTS, THOSE TO ME ARE FOLKS THAT ARE PARTNERS OF US MORE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE MAYBE CONSIDERED BEFORE. 
          AND SO, I'M NOT TO SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING PRESENTED, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS, MAYBE WE HAVE A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN PARTNERSHIPS TO SOME OF THESE RECURRING ART ORGANIZATIONS, NOT NECESSARILY GOING OUT AND OPENING IT UP TO OTHERS WHO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY YET PARTNERED WITH OR DRIVING AWARENESS TOWARDS. 
          BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP MODEL, LOOKING AT THOSE WHO ALREADY SUPPORT US IN THIS WAY TO THEN GROW LONGER TERM, JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO THROW OUT AS A, IF WE'RE, WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND THE, WHAT WE DO WITH THESE RECURRING FOLKS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE ENGAGING WITH US AND WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PARTNERSHIP MODEL, BUT HOW CAN WE SLOWLY MAYBE BRIDGE THOSE TOGETHER A LITTLE MORE, UM, TO A LONG-TERM GOAL? COMMISSIONER DARREN ALICE? YEAH, AND I THINK BACK TO ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS CAME UP, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY STARTED WHEN SABRINA WAS, UM, THE CHAIR. 
          IT, IT WAS A BIT OF A TWO-WAY STREET BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS, WE FELT LIKE THEY WERE DOING THINGS IN THE ARTS THAT WE WEREN'T ACTUALLY NOT AWARE OF MM-HMM . 
          AND SO WE DID, WE EVEN AT THE TIME TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM COME AND REPORT OUT TO THE COMMISSION ON A, YOU KNOW, REGULAR BASIS, SEMI-ANNUALLY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO I, I DO THINK THAT IT'S MORPHED A BIT ON KIND OF WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY THINKING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD OR A BAD MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IT'S LIKE, WHAT, TO YOUR POINT, ALAN, WHAT IS THE NEED? WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE WANTING TO GET OUT OF THIS? RIGHT? AND TO ME, UH, AS, BECAUSE CHAIR CUSTODIAL, AGAIN, AS THIS SEEMS MORE OF THAT OUTREACH OUTBOUND ALMOST MARKETING OURSELVES AS THE COMMISSION, AND SO TO HAVE THE TITLE OF PARTNERSHIP MODEL, MAYBE THAT AS WE'VE KIND OF MOLDED THIS AND THIS HAS GROWN OVER TIME, MAYBE THAT TITLE DOESN'T WORK FOR THIS INITIATIVE AS MUCH ANYMORE. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I COMPLETELY AGREE. 
          I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT SHOULD WE USE THAT PARTNERSHIP AS A TERM? AND I THINK WE, WE, WE THOUGHT IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A PARTNERSHIP. 
          I THINK IT JUST, UH, WE, WE LEFT IT IN THERE BECAUSE IT WAS ON THE FOUR PILLARS. 
          THIS, THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNICATION FELL UNDER THE PARTNERSHIP PILLAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I THINK. 
          SO VERY CLEARLY WE SHOULD, UH, REMOVE THAT WORD PARTNERSHIP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I, GO AHEAD. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING, I WAS ALMOST THINKING IF THERE WAS A NECESSITY TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS IF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMISSION COULD SOMEHOW BE PRESENTED, UM, TO INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND ALSO THERE'S THAT MESSAGE OF IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE CONTACT INFORMATION, REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, TO ARTS IN THE CITY. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION, UH, WANTS TO CONSIDER. 
          I DON'T WANNA MOVE BACKWARDS. 
          OBVIOUSLY, I THINK A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS GONE INTO THIS ALREADY. 
          UM, WHO, WHO'S MAKING, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION AS WHO'S MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF WHICH GROUPS GET REACHED OUT TO AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH GROUPS ARE, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR OWN? LIKE IS IT JUST BY HAPPENSTANCE? I, I RAN INTO SOMEBODY AND I IDENTIFIED THEM AS A POTENTIAL ARTS PARTNER. 
          OR IF WE'RE NOT USING PARTNER ANOTHER ARTS ORG, WE HAD CREATED A VARIATION OF LISTS OVER TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE COMMISSIONER WAS ASSIGNED TO ONE ORGANIZATION. 
          HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT ORGANIZATION, I THINK IT WAS JUST THROUGH A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF WHO FOLKS IN THE ROOM ALREADY KNEW OR WHO WE KNEW, AGAIN, WHO FOLKS WHO HAVE ALREADY GONE AHEAD AND, AND SUBMITTED PROGRAM PROJECT MINI GRANTS THROUGH US, UM, OF REACHING OUT AND HAVING THAT BETTER CONNECTION. 
          UM, BUT I, I DO AGREE IN TERMS OF THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION. 
          I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT SHAPING IT DIFFERENTLY OF, IS THIS MORE OF AN OUTREACH MODEL? AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. 
          AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LET FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN GRANT APPLICANTS OR OTHER LARGER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, HAVE THEM BE AWARE OF WHO THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS IS NOT NECESSARILY AN OUTBOUND CALL FROM A COMMISSIONER THEMSELVES OF THIS IS WHO I AM, LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP YOU. 
          BUT ARE THESE ORGANIZATIONS EVEN AWARE THAT WE JUST EXIST AND PROVIDING A ONE SHEET, LIKE DISPLAYED HERE, COMMISSIONER LANE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WHAT KATHLEEN WAS SAYING, AND, UM, AND RAJ, I, I THINK WHAT THE WAY YOU JUST SUMMARIZED IT IS WHAT WE EARLIER CONCEIVED. 
          WE, WE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER THAT LIST OF 
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EQUIVALENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE THOUGHT KIND OF COVERED THE MAJOR CROSS-SECTION ORGAN ORGANIZATIONS OF LIVERMORE. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE VOLUNTEERED TO BE THE POC FOR ONE OR THE OTHER MM-HMM . 
          DEPENDING ON WHICH ONES THEY KNEW BETTER THAN OTHERS. 
          BUT IT REALLY WAS THAT WE JUST FELT LIKE THERE WASN'T AN EQUIVALENT UNDERSTANDING ACROSS LIVERMORE ABOUT WHAT THE, LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS ACTUALLY IS THE ARTS, THE CITY'S MM-HMM . 
          ARTS COMMISSION, . 
          AND MAYBE IT ALMOST BECOMES HOW WE'VE BEEN KIND OF FORMULATING THIS IDEA OF THE MINI, UH, THIS LAST GRANT CYCLE. 
          WE HAD ALL OF THOSE HALF SHEETS, RIGHT. 
          THAT WE WERE ALL GIVEN AS COMMISSIONERS. 
          MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THIS ALMOST TURNS INTO IS WE HAVE A ONE SHEET PAMPHLET, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WHERE WE CAN DROP AT SOME OF THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OR HAVE POSTED IN THE CITY OR THE LIBRARY AS A RESOURCE TO BETTER EXPLAIN. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, LIKE WE WERE ALL MENTIONING, DO THEY KNOW WHO WE REALLY ARE AND WHAT WE'RE CAPABLE OF? AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THIS IS STARTING, IS THIS IS ALMOST JUST A MARKETING PIECE. 
          AND, AND I WOULD SAY, BOB, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY, BUT IT WAS THAT THE, THE WE, WE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE CITY DIDN'T GET CREDIT FOR THAT LIST OF GRANTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO THAT BREADTH OF, YOU KNOW, ARTISTIC ENDEAVORS IN THE CITY. 
          WE REALLY, UH, WE KEPT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IN THESE, BUT WE'D SAY IT IN THESE MEETINGS, WHICH DOESN'T DO VERY MUCH GOOD , RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONER GMAN, UH, I'M LOOKING BACK HISTORICALLY, UH, WHEN COMMISSIONER LANE WAS THE CHAIR MANY YEARS AGO, AND, UH, LIVERMORE CULTURAL ARTS COUNCIL MEETS PERIODICALLY MM-HMM . 
          AND WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, AND THAT WAS THE TIME, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOT PARTNERSHIP, BUT COMMUNICATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHAT ARE THEY DOING, WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND THEY, THE END OF EVERY MEETING, THEY KIND OF WENT AROUND THE TABLE, EVERYBODY KIND OF BRAGGED ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING, AND IT WAS, I LEARNED A LOT MM-HMM . 
          AND I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S ON THE LITTLE MORE CULTURAL ARTS COUNCIL WEBSITE. 
          THERE'S OVER 20 GROUPS. 
          WHAT DO I KNOW ABOUT THE VALLEY DANCE THEATER OR THE, UH, DELVAL FINE ARTS OR ELLA CHILDREN'S CHORUS, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT OVER HALF THOSE. 
          NOW I'M ON THE ARTS COMMISSION MM-HMM . 
          I SHOULD KNOW WHAT MY OWN ARTS ORGANIZATIONS ARE IN TOWN. 
          JUST MY OWN INFORMATION. 
          AND, AND THAT'S GAVE US A CHANCE TO KIND OF BRAG TO THEM MM-HMM . 
          AND SO THEY, IT KIND OF FELL APART. 
          UM, WHEN COVID HIT, THEY STOPPED HAVING PERSONAL IN-PERSON MEETINGS. 
          THEY WERE DOING ZOOM MM-HMM . 
          THEY'RE COMING BACK AND THEY'RE STARTING TO HAVE MEETINGS AGAIN TWO, THREE TIMES A YEAR. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANNA CONSIDER IF WE CHANGE THIS FROM PARTNERSHIP TO OUTREACH, IT'D BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM OUR GROUP KIND OF SIT IN ON THOSE MEETINGS. 
          WE'RE NOT A VOTING MEMBER, BUT WE'RE THERE TO SHARE WHAT IS IT THE ARTS COMMISSION DOES MM-HMM . 
          AND IT LETS US AS COMMISSIONERS HEAR WHAT ARE THEY DOING? RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I LEARNED ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GROUPS. 
          I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY DID, AND THEY'RE KIND OF, AND YET THEY'RE IN MY OWN CITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I LOVE THAT. 
          AND MAYBE AGAIN, AS WE, WE KEEP KIND OF GOING AROUND THIS WORD OUTREACH, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THIS BECOMES. 
          AND MAYBE OVER TIME, INSTEAD OF A PARTNERSHIP MODEL, AND WE HAVE THIS MORE FORMAL COMMUNICATION, IT IS WHERE ONCE EVERY MONTH, JUST AS WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO ANOTHER ARTS MEETING JUST TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES OR HEAR WHAT THING IS GOING ON. 
          AND THAT'S THE REPORT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO BE AS FORWARD AS SAYING THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO ATTEND A MEETING EVERY SINGLE MONTH OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING AND DOING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT I THINK CREATING AN OUTREACH MODEL WHERE WE'RE, WE HAVE THE MATERIALS TO FEEL COMFORTABLE, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FURTHER ITEMS WE HAVE ON THIS LIST IS NAME BADGES OF, OF, OF GOING INTO A ROOM AND BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE DO. 
          I THINK THIS IS THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT THAT IS. 
          COMMISSIONER DEAN ALLISON. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I JUST LOOKED BACK AT THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY PARTNER LIST, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY MORE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAS POSITAS COLLEGE, L-A-R-P-D VISIT, TRI-VALLEY WINE GROWERS ASSOCIATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DOWNTOWN INC. 
          SO IT WAS SOME OF THOSE THAT WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ESTABLISHED PARTNERSHIPS WITH. 
          YES. 
          THEY WEREN GROUP. 
          YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT THEY SHOULD KNOW ABOUT US. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND SO MAKING THAT DIFFERENTIATION TOO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTREACH, IS OUTREACH HOLISTICALLY ALL OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS? OR IS OUTREACH THAT SMALLER LIST OF SUBAR ORGANIZATIONS THAT FALL UNDER OTHER UMBRELLAS WITHIN CITY OR PRIVATE SPACES? I THINK ALAN HAD A COMMENT JUST IN CASE ANYBODY WAS CURIOUS. 
          THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS ITEM, WE HAD THE LIST, THE LIST NEEDED UPDATES, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, AND WE SHARED AT THE FIRST MEETING, THAT LIST HASN'T GONE AWAY. 
          I STILL THINK, UM, THAT'S A USEFUL TOOL FOR BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHO'S, IF YOU GO THIS WAY THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER GUZMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK THAT INFORMATION COULD LIVE IN THAT, IN THAT SAME 
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PLACE. 
          YEAH. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THE, SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THE LIST AND THEN, UH, C HAD, UH, SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR CHANGES, BUT THEN WE SAID, LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT WE WANNA SAY BEFORE WE DECIDE WHERE DO WE WANNA GO. 
          SO I THINK WE TABLED THAT LIST, UH, FOR THE MOMENT UNTIL WE DECIDE WHERE, WHERE DO WE GO? NO, NO. 
          YEAH, VICE CHAIR DO HERS. 
          UM, I, I, MAYBE I MISHEARD, BUT I, I, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF NOT HAVING THE COVER LETTERS. 
          WE'RE JUST GOING OUT TO TALKING TO PEOPLE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GO OUT AND THEY WANT TO FOLLOW OVER EMAIL. 
          AND I THINK THE COVER LETTERS ARE DEFINITELY IMPORTANT, SO WE SHOULDN'T GET RID OF THAT. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT, UM, LAS POSITAS HAD ALREADY RESPONDED WITH SOME QUESTIONS, AND ONE OF THEM WAS A TOUR OF THEIR PUBLIC ART FOR THE WHOLE COMMISSION, WHICH WE COULDN'T DO BECAUSE WE WOULD BE A QUORUM. 
          SO MAYBE I'LL BRING THIS UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, TO GIVE THEM CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVEN'T DROPPED THE BALL ON, ON THAT REQUEST AFTER WE'VE REACHED OUT. 
          SO WE HAVE HAD WE HAVE ALREADY ENACTED SOME OF THIS PARTNERSHIP MODEL THEN IF WE'RE REACHING OUT TO NO, IT WAS THROUGH HER OWN. 
          OH, OKAY. 
           CONNECTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, CHAIR CUSTODIAL MM-HMM . 
          UH, JUST NEED TO SEEK DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION ON NEXT STEPS AND GOING FORWARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA KEEP TALKING, BUT I WILL , I THINK SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WAS, DOES THE TITLING OF THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE MAKES SENSE? AND WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PURPOSE DRIVEN BEHIND IT? UM, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD, UH, WE LIKE THE INITIATIVES OF THE, UH, COVER LETTER PER SE, OR INITIAL EMAIL CONT TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AROUND THIS, UM, FLYER PRESENT PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US OF HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, WITH THE CITY. 
          AND IF WE'RE ALSO PARTICULARLY LOOKING TO PROMOTE WHAT WE DO IN TERMS OF GRANT PARTICIPATION AND WHAT WE'VE FUNDED OR, OR, OR HOW WE HELP ACTUAL INDIVIDUALS OR ORGANIZATIONS. 
          MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ALSO WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, OR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION FURTHER. 
          UM, THOSE WOULD BE MY AT LEAST INITIAL THOUGHTS OF WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY. 
          UM, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN BRINGING BACK WHAT THAT LIST LOOKS LIKE. 
          IS THAT OTHER TRUE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CITY? OR IS IT THAT BROADER, UM, ARTS TOUCHING ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMITTEE THAT WE START, OR WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE START LOOKING AT FIRST BEFORE WE REALLY DIVE INTO MORE OUTREACH? COMMISSIONER KELLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I THINK WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT INSTEAD OF THOSE, UH, LINKS, PUT A QR CODE MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'LL BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO OH YEAH. 
          I EXPECT, I EXPECT WHOEVER IS, UH, ARTSY . 
          YEAH. 
          SO I, I THINK IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY BE THE COVER LETTER IS THERE IF WE WANNA SEND IT TO SOMEBODY MM-HMM . 
          BUT OUR MAIN FOCUS IS COMING UP WITH A, A FLYER THAT KIND OF DESCRIBES WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO AND HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW MORE ABOUT, UH, SO THAT IF WE FOCUS ON THAT AND GET IT TO A POINT WHERE IT IS, UH, REASONABLY IN A GOOD SHAPE, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT TO WHERE DO WE WANNA GO WITH THIS. 
          WE, WE COULD PROBABLY DISCUSS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES TO ATTACK. 
          AS I'VE BEEN STANDING HERE LISTENING, I'M THINKING OF A TRIFLE FLYER THAT, UM, EXPLAINS INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMMISSION CONTACT INFORMATION, LINKS TO ART GUIDE, LINKS TO INFORMATION ABOUT GRANTS. 
          MAYBE ONE OF THOSE, UH, TRIFOLD SIDES IS GRANT INFORMATION. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MAYBE THAT COULD MEET ALL THE NEEDS AND THAT CAN RUN PARALLEL TO THIS CONTACT LIST, UH, POTENTIALLY OF PEOPLE USING THAT AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE A TWO-SIDED FLYER, I, I'D FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MIGHT BE VERY GENERAL. 
          THAT MIGHT WORK FOR ALMOST EVERYBODY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          NOT JUST ARTS PARTNERS. 
          AND DOES IT STILL, IF IT IS OUTREACH THAT IS THE GOAL, DOES THAT STILL MEET ALL OF THE GOALS OF THE COMMISSION? I MEAN, JUST AS AN IDEA, I DON'T WANNA MM-HMM . 
          SAY THAT THAT'S A BETTER IDEA THAN THIS, BUT MAYBE THAT CHECKS ALL THE BOXES. 
          I MEAN, MY INTERPRETATION IS, IS WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD A PARTNERSHIP MODEL, BUT MAYBE OTHERS HAD THAT A DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION, BUT OUTREACH AND MAKING THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF WHAT WE PROVIDE THOSE, THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WE PROVIDE, POSSIBLY CONNECTING OTHERS ACROSS THE ART SPACE, I THINK THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE THAT THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          YEP. 
          SO I GUESS THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OR, OR, UM, 
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FEEDBACK BACK TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THIS FLYER, UM, WITH THE CITY AND SEEING, OR I GUESS, UH, WITH STAFF AND FIGURING OUT WHAT DOES, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME HERE? WHAT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING MATERIALS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN A, IN A CITY SPEC. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ALAN, YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT IN PARTICULAR OF HOW THAT PROCESS GOES? , TWO YEARS AGO, , BEFORE WE, UH, GOT INVOLVED WITH THE ARTS, UM, I THINK THE NEXT STEP IF, IF WE WENT THAT WAY, IS ANOTHER MEETING OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, UM, DETERMINING WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE THINKS SHOULD BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH THESE POTENTIAL PARTNERS. 
          I THINK IF WE GO DIRECTLY TO THAT MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND WE JUST CREATE A LIST OF, I WANT TO TELL 'EM ABOUT GRANTS. 
          I WANT TO GIVE 'EM A LINK TO THE PUBLIC ART GUIDE. 
          I WANT TO LET, MAKE SURE THEY KNOW HOW TO GET AHOLD OF STAFF. 
          AND AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GRANTS GRANT DEADLINES, WHY CAN'T THE INFORMATION THAT'S ON THE, THE CARDS BE IN A FLYER? RIGHT. 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          IF WE IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS, WE MERGE THAT WITH THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. 
          UM, AND I SHOULDN'T SAY WE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE, THIS IS THE COMMISSION'S WORK, BUT THE WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE, MAYBE WE MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          MAYBE WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY STRONG INFORMATIONAL FLYER THAT CAN JUST BE HANDED TO ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THE ARTS, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WE ALSO, UH, EQUIP THE COMMISSION WITH THE MEANS TO STRIKE UP THESE CONVERSATIONS OR TO CONNECT WITH THESE INDIVIDUAL ARTS ORGANIZATIONS OR, OR THE ARTS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT, THAT'D BE WHERE I WOULD SAY TO START, PUT THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          LET PEOPLE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND, YOU KNOW, CONNECT THEM WITH RESOURCES. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE, I, I'M HEARING THAT AS A NEXT STEPS FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEES TO MEET AGAIN AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT START AND IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO DOUBLE-SIDED OR A, OR A TRI-FOLD BROCHURE, IS THERE MORE INFORMATION? THERE'S DEFINITELY MORE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD ADD IN AND DECIDING WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND BRINGING THAT BACK TO THIS GROUP AND, AND MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE IS A GREAT START. 
          AND IF THERE'S, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO RENAME THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, OR IS  OH, I MEAN, WE CAN REPURPOSE REP THE WORK. 
          WE CAN CALL IT ANYTHING WE WANT. 
          SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S CONSIDERATION ON THAT AS WELL, IF YOU WANT TO MOVE MORE AWAY FROM PARTNERSHIP OR COMBINE PARTNERSHIP AND OUTREACH, UH, HOWEVER, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY FOR THE CITY AS WELL, MORE OF THE GOAL IF THE, THE WORK MM-HMM. 
          CHANGES FROM, LIKE, IF YOU WERE TO GO COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE SCOPE, WE NEED A NEW AD HOC COMMITTEE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT IF WE'RE RETITLING IT, BUT THE EFFORTS ARE STILL THE SAME, I, I THINK THAT'S FINE. 
          AND I DO WANNA MENTION, I'M PROBABLY THE LUCKIEST ONE HERE. 
          I HAVE A WORK PARTNER WHO'S AN EXPERT AT DESIGNING FLYERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT LANG, SHE, SHE KNOWS . 
          UM, I THINK WE CAN, AGAIN ARMED WITH THAT INFORMATION OF WHAT THE COMMISSION THINKS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO GET OUT THERE, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS IN-HOUSE AND I THINK WE CAN DO IT WITHOUT IT BEING LIKE A HUGE GINORMOUS LIFT. 
          SO AS LONG AS WE, I LOVE THAT MEET AND WE HAVE THE INFO. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          THAT SOUNDS GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          YAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE CONSENSUS. 
          YEP. 
          , ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. 
          GREAT. 
          WE WILL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE TO THE NEXT, NEXT UP IS ITEM 5.6, DISCUSSION ON USE OF NEW NAME BADGES BY COMMISSIONERS. 
          IS THERE A STAFF REPORT? THERE IS A STAFF REPORT AND I COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED. 
          , WELL KEEP IT BRIEF AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT MY STYLE SO, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          YOU HAVE THE NAME TAG. 
          OH, I ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE NAME TAGS. 
          UM, SO, OH, SORRY. 
          OH, I, WHAT I REALIZED IS THAT THE MICROPHONES, ONCE WE GET TO FIVE MICROPHONES OFF YEAH. 
          SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM. 
          'CAUSE WHEN I CUT THIS ONE OFF. 
          YES, THERE WE GO. 
          UM, SO THIS JUST GOES BACK A WAYS. 
          THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT ABOUT USING UH, NAME TAGS TO REPRESENT WHO YOU ARE WHEN YOU'RE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AT FORMAL EVENTS WHEN YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS. 
          IT WAS PAUSED WHEN THERE WAS THAT SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION, I'M SORRY, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE COMING UP WITH THE T-SHIRT IDEA. 
          AND SO WE WERE WAITING AND WE WERE WAITING AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAS A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW AND I STILL THINK THAT THAT PLAN IS FOR THAT TO GO FORWARD. 
          BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THERE WAS NO FURTHER REASON TO WAIT. 
          SO WE HAD THE NAME TAGS CREATED BASED OFF OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS GIVEN AT THE, UH, PREVIOUS MEETING LAST YEAR. 
          I'LL PASS 'EM OUT HERE IN JUST A SECOND. 
          THE MAIN THING TO NOTE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS NAME 
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TAGS ARE NOT MEANT FOR YOU TO GO OUT ON YOUR OWN. 
          AND I'M COMMISSIONER I'M, I'LL PICK ON 'EM. 
          I'M COMMISSIONER KLEI AND THIS IS THE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW I'M A COMMISSION FOR THE ARTS MEMBER AND REPRESENT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING IN A FORMAL CAPACITY. 
          IF YOU GO TO AN EVENT AT THE BANK HEAD FOR EXAMPLE, AND YOU'RE JUST A NORMAL ATTENDEE, YOU'RE JUST A NORMAL ATTENDEE. 
          BUT IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING FORMAL ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION YOU'RE MEETING WITH, I THINK I LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT POET LAUREATE CANDIDATES, OR YOU ARE GOING TO THE BOTHWELL TO PARTICIPATE IN THE LIVERMORE ART ASSOCIATION SPRING ART AWARDS. 
          I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY THERE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE. 
          THIS GOES RIGHT WITH WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PARTNERSHIP, UH, MODEL AD HOC COMMITTEE ABOUT COMMUNICATING WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU DO, BE VISIBLE, MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW THE FANTASTIC WORK YOU ALL ARE DOING. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, THAT'S THE END OF MY STAFF REPORT. 
          THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL START PASSING THESE OUT WHILE YOU ALL DISCUSS IT. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, I'M HAPPY . 
          WE'RE ALL THRILLED. 
          LOOK AT THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GONNA ASSUME THERE IS NO DISCUSSION. 
          SO WE CAN CLOSE THIS ITEM AND MOVE ALONG TO THE NEXT, UH, WHICH IS ITEM SIX 
          [6. COMMITTEE REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS ]
COMMITTEE REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, IS THERE ANY REPORT FROM STAFF? THERE'S NO REPORT FROM STAFF. 
          STAFF. 
          GREAT. 
          ANY REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER DOERS, VICE-CHAIR OF DERS, ? UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED ARTS COMMUNITIES LIKE SPARK IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING GOOD TO DISCUSS, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT THE UNSOLICITED FUNDS, WHICH IS A GIFT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'VE GOT LOTS OF IT. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THIS UP IN A, IN A FUTURE MEETING. 
          SO CAN YOU SCOPE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANNA BRING BACK? I WANT TO DISCUSS THE NEW PARTNERSHIP MODEL IDEA WHERE IT, IT RELATES TO RECURRING GRANTS. 
          IT'S, IT'S, UH, ESTABLISHED, UH, ARTS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE SPARK AND LVO AND THE OPERA IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          INSTEAD OF THEM APPLYING FOR GRANTS, WE DISCUSS A GIFT FROM THE CITY, FROM THE UNSOLICITED FUNDS. 
          UM, SO THERE ARE NO UNSOLICITED FUNDS THERE ARE LIKE THAT. 
          WE COULD JUST TAP EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL SEE IN THAT BUDGET AS YOU APPROVED IT. 
          IS IT, SO WE CAN'T GO INTO A DEEP CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S JUST A POOL OF MONEY OUT THERE THAT CAN BE ACCESSED WHAT YOU SEE IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET. 
          IS IT? OH OKAY. 
          UM, IS IT WORTH DISCUSSING? UH, THEN I, I MEAN I KNOW THE ODDS ARE THEN AGAINST THIS IDEA, BUT THE IDEA OF UH, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO BRING IT BACK TO DISCUSS WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO SHIFT SOME ORGANIZATIONS TO A DIFFERENT GRANT MODEL AS PART OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, THAT DISCUSSION CAN ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN AGAIN IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. 
          HOWEVER, YOU DO WANNA UNDERSTAND THAT THE LIMITATION IS THAT THE BUDGET'S APPROVED FOR THIS YEAR AND FOR NEXT YEAR ALREADY. 
          SO YOU'D BE TALKING MOST LIKELY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IN 27 28. 
          I THINK IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING 'CAUSE THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME ANYWAY, , AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING TALKING ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP GRANT MODEL ALMOST. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL AD HOC COMMITTEE AS IT LIVES NOW. 
          SO, WE'LL WHEN WE BRING IT BACK WE'LL GIVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME, BUT WE KNOW THE SPIRIT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT. 
          WE'LL YEAH, CHANGE THAT UP. 
          I LIKE THAT TITLE BETTER THAN RECURRING GRANT . 
          YES, I AGREE. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? GREAT. 
          WELL I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN UP TO FOR THE MONTH, BUT IF YOU ALSO WANT TO GO HOME, I UNDERSTAND   WITH THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 6 36. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH, . 
          SO.
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