* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING. [1. CALL TO ORDER] IT IS NOW 6:30 PM ON OCTOBER 6TH. THIS IS THE, UH, THE AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING. UH, MY NAME'S DARREN BISHOP. I'M THE CHAIR. AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE, UH, THE RECORDING MUST BE GOING ALREADY. SO ANYWAY, I'LL, I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. NUMBER ONE, UH, ITEM AGENDA ONE, UH, ROLL CALL. IF YOU, I CAN INTRODUCE OUR, OUR PORT MANAGER, BENNY. THANK YOU, CHAIR BISHOP. THE ROLL CALL. UH, COMMISSIONER SHELLENBERGER IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LEVI VINE IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER FARLEY HERE. COMMISSIONER DUBROSKI HERE. AND CHAIR BISHOP HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM. OKAY. UH, THAT'S ITEM ONE. UH, ITEM TWO, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO WE CAN ALL RISE. TAKE YOUR MICROPHONE WITH YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE KARL. ITEM THREE IS OPEN FORUM IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE BROWN ACT. NO AIRPORT COMMISSION ACTION CAN OCCUR ON ITEMS PRESENTED DURING OPEN FORUM. TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, WALK TO THE LECTERN TO ADDRESS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, PER ITEM. THE CHAIR MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PERSONS WISHING TO SPEAK. OPEN FORM WILL CONCLUDE AFTER 30 MINUTES. HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS, OPEN FORM WILL RECONVENE AFTER MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? WELL, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, SPEAKERS, ZERO, I'M GONNA ALLOT ZERO MINUTES TO OPEN FORM. SO THAT'S ITEM THREE. AND MOVING ON TO ITEM [4. CONSENT CALENDAR] FOUR, CONSENT CALENDAR. CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND ARE ACTED UPON BY THE AIRPORT COMMISSION WITH A SINGLE ACTION. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT, MUST SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC INPUT? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL GET ONTO ITEM 4.1, APPROVAL OF AIRPORT COMMISSION, DRAFT MINUTES FOR AUGUST 4TH, 2025. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THE SHORT MEETING. OKAY. UM, I, I, MOTION TO ACCEPT. THERE YOU GO. MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. UH, I'LL SECOND, UH, SECOND THAT ROLL CALL. DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER SHELLENBERGER. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LEVINE. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER FARLEY. AYE. VICE CHAIR DOMBROWSKI. AYE. CHAIR BISHOP. APPROVE. SO, UH, ITEM 4.1, THE, UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION APPROVES THE DRAFT MINUTES. ITEM 4.2, RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY OF COUNCIL APPROVE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION REVISED RULES OF PROCEDURE. SO, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THE ATTACHED MODIFIED RULES OF PROCEDURE. UM, UH, DID, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS OR SOMETHING? NO, THIS IS COMMISSIONER FARLEY HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN I READ IT, IT'S, I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THIS IS FOR US TO LOOK AT, BUT IT WILL COME UP IN THE NEXT MEETING FOR APPROVAL. DID I READ THAT WRONG? I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR US TO LOOK AT NOW, BUT I THOUGHT IT SAID THE APPROVAL IS NEXT MEETING. UNLESS I READ THAT WRONG. DO I UNDERSTAND? IT'S ON OUR AGENDA SO WE CAN ACT ON IT. THE APPROVALS FOR THIS MEETING, THE, THE APPROVALS FOR THIS MEETING. OKAY. THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, UM, ON PAGE TWO OF THE ATTACHMENT ITEM 1.8, THE COMMISSION WILL CREATE AN ANNUAL WORK PLAN AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. I BELIEVE THIS HAS BEEN A POINT OF CONTENTION WITH THE COMMISSION IN THE PAST. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, IS IT SAYING THAT WE APPROVE OF THIS ANNUAL WORK PLAN, WHICH DOESN'T PROVIDE ANY DETAILS ON WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING? IS WHATEVER WE'RE TOLD TO DEVELOP IS WHAT WE'LL BE DOING? OR IS IT STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS? [00:05:02] WELL, IF I CAN JUST OFFER MY OPINION, I, I THINK, UH, I THINK ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS ARE, ARE COMMISSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT A WORK PLAN. SO, AND, UH, WE SUBMITTED ONE LAST TIME. IT BASICALLY JUST SAID, FOLLOW OUR COMMISSION CALENDAR. AND I WAS JUST GONNA TAKE THAT SAME THING AND CHANGE THE DATE AND DO IT AGAIN. OKAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'LL JUST HAVE A SIMPLE WORK PLAN. WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS BEFORE YEAH, THERE WAS, I KNOW WE DID IT AS A ATTEMPT IN A TEAPOT. IT WAS A CONTENTION ABOUT ADOPTING WHAT WAS PROVIDED TO US AS THE FORMAT OR TEMPLATE. AND WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY IN, NOT AMONG US, BUT WITH THE OVERALL PROCESS, WEREN'T SURE THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING APPROPRIATE FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS. SO WE DID OUR OWN THING EFFECTIVELY, AS YOU SAY. YES. AND SO WHAT I'M WONDERING HERE IS, I GUESS IT'S VAGUE ENOUGH THAT IT'S SAYING A WORK PLAN MM-HMM . YEAH. IS I, I, I KINDA LOOKED AT IT AND I AS KIND OF LIKE, THIS ISN'T REALLY A CHANGE, IT'S JUST WE DO THE JUMP THROUGH THE SAME WORK PLAN HOOP AS LAST TIME. RIGHT. SO AGAIN, I GUESS MY, IT SAYS THE COMMISSION WILL DEVELOP ITS WORK PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. SO IT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION BEFORE. YEAH. I SEE IT LISTED HERE NOW HERE IN RED. YEAH. SO I'M BRINGING UP, I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT IN JANUARY. AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I'M WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS ATTACHMENT. OH, I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WERE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, THE PLAN THAT THIS DOCUMENT WITH THAT ITEM STRUCK OUT OF IT. N NOT AFTER WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I'M OKAY. MAKING A WORK PLAN OF OUR CHOOSING. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK OUR CONTENTION WAS BEING FORCED TO DO A CERTAIN TYPE OF WORK PLAN THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I, I THINK THIS ISN'T STATING THAT WE THOU SHALT DO THEIR WORK PLAN. WHAT DO YOU THINK, CHRIS? SO, YEAH, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. 'CAUSE IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT CLARIFYING FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, BUT IT IS VAGUE ENOUGH THAT, AND FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS, THE WAY I'M TAKING IT IS WE WILL BE PROBABLY PRESENT. THEY'RE TRYING TO, TO TRICK US INTO DOING WORK. WELL, THEY'LL BRING TO PRESENT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S LOOKING FOR. UM, BUT IT'S, IT IS ULTIMATELY UP TO US TO APPROVE OR DISPROVE THAT. SO WE CAN PROBABLY MODIFY WHAT'S GIVEN TO US OR WE, WE CAN, I MEAN, IT'S UP TO US TO CREATE THE WORK PLAN. SO I THINK WE'LL GET GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY AND WE CAN MODIFY IT AS, AS WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, SO IN THAT CASE, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH IT. YEAH. AGREE. YEAH. SO WITH A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I THINK IT'S CLARIFIED. YEAH, NO, THAT'S GOOD. IT'S GOOD. WE KNOW IT'S COMING SO KNOW IT'S COMING. YEAH. AND A LOT OF THE CONTENTION WAS WE WERE, WE WERE GIVEN A WORK PLAN, UH, WITHOUT, WELL THERE'S LIKE AN UNWRITTEN IMPLICATION THAT WE DO WHAT CITY STAFF WANTS US TO DO. AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHY HAVE US IF WE'RE NOT GONNA THINK NOW AND THEN, SO, UM, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT OR DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING? UM, NOW I GUESS AS CHAIR I CAN MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT? PREFERABLE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER. YEAH. SO A HINT, HINT, , IF THERE'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE RULES CHANGES. I SECOND. UH, COMMISSIONER FARLEY, SECOND ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER SCHLUMBERGER. ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LEVINE? ABSENT. COMMISSIONER FARLEY. AYE. VICE CHAIR DOMBROWSKI. AYE. CHAIR BISHOP. AYE. OKAY, BACK TO THAT. IT'S A BIG DOCUMENT THIS TIME NOW. OKAY. SO THAT COMPLETES ITEM 4.2, UH, ONTO ITEM [5. MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] NUMBER FIVE MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. ITEM 5.1, REVIEW OF AIRPORT AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ACTIVITY AND NOISE REPORTS FOR THE MONTHS OF JULY AND AUGUST, 2025. SO I'LL TURN THE MIC OVER TO BENNY TO DO HIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU CHAIR BISHOP. THIS IS BENNY STU, YOUR AIRPORT MANAGER. GOING OVER THE MONTHLY STATISTICS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY IN 2025, OUR AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS SET AT 16,920 FOR A 7% DECLINE FUEL SALES SET AT 86,587 GALLONS FOR A 17% DECLINE BASE. AIRCRAFT REMAINED THE SAME AT 464 AND NOISE REPORTS CAME IN AT 182 FOR A 30% DECLINE FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS IN JULY OF 2025. 1048 WERE INSTRUMENT IFR 388 TO AIR TAXI 5,444 ITINERANT GENERAL 30 ITINERANT MILITARY, AND 11,058 FOR LOCAL GENERAL FOR THE FUEL SOLD IN THE MONTH OF JULY. SELF-SERVE 100 LOW LEAD [00:10:01] WAS 8,237 GALLONS 100 LOW LEAD WAS 23,707 GALLONS. UL 94 WAS 204 GALLONS, AND JET A WAS 54,439 GALLONS. THE THREE NOTABLE DECREASES IN FUEL SALES WERE SELF-SERVE 100 LOW LEAD UL 94 AND JET A WITH 100 LOW LEAD FROM THE TRUCKS BEING A 12% INCREASE. FOR THE NOISE REPORTS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 182 TOTAL NOISE CONCERNS SUBMITTED TO THE AIRPORT. 47 OF THOSE CAME FROM ONE HOUSEHOLD IN PLEASANTON, 20 FROM A SECOND, 49 FROM MULTIPLE OTHER HOUSEHOLDS IN PLEASANTON. 15 CAME FROM ONE HOUSEHOLD IN LIVERMORE AND 11 FROM ANOTHER AND 11 EXTRA FROM VARIOUS HOUSEHOLDS IN LIVERMORE AND 29 TOTAL FROM OTHER HOUSEHOLDS IN DUBLIN. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS SUBMITTING THESE 182 CONCERNS IS 27. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT ON THE STATISTICS. UH, DOES ANYBODY, UH, FROM THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UH, REPORT? AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO RUNNING STRAIGHT TO AUGUST, WE CAN OTHERWISE, UH, YOU CAN DISCUSS THE JULY ONES FIRST. OH, ARE WE GETTING SOMETHING ON THIS HANDOUT SEPARATELY OR, I THINK SO, YES. THAT IS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE. I'LL JUST GO INTO THE AUGUST ONES. SURE. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. OKAY. SO YEAH. SO FOR THE AUGUST MONTHLY STATISTICS FOR 2025 AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WERE AT 18,525 FOR A 9% INCREASE OVER JULY. FUEL SALES WERE 85,800 FOR A 1% DECREASE BASED AIRCRAFT DROPPED DOWN TO 462. NOISE REPORTS ARE AT 138 WITH, WHICH IS ANOTHER 24% DECLINE OVER THE MONTH OF JULY FOR THOSE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS. IN AUGUST, 2025, 1,481 WERE INSTRUMENT IFR 790 WERE AIR TAXI 5,689 WERE ITINERANT GENERAL 17 ITINERANT MILITARY. AND 12,029 WERE LOCAL GENERAL OF THE FUEL SOLD IN AUGUST, 2025, 8,539 CAME FROM THE SELF-SERVE. 100 LOW LEAD. 22,800 OR 686 CAME FROM THE 100 LOW LEAD TRUCK 347 FROM UL 94 AND 54,228 FROM JET A. THE ONLY DECLINE FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST WAS 100 LOW LEAD FROM THE TRUCK. ALL OTHER FUEL SOURCES SAW AN INCREASE FOR THE NOISE CONCERNS FILED FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST, 2025. THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 138 NOISE CONCERNS OVER 25 TOTAL HOUSEHOLDS. A SINGLE HOUSEHOLD IN PLEASANTON SUBMITTED 30, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER OF 24. THE REMAINING 44 COMING FROM PLEASANTON CAME FROM MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS. 20 CONCERNS CAME FROM LIVERMORE, ONE RESIDENCE IN LIVERMORE, ANOTHER NINE FROM A SECONDARY, THE REMAINING FOUR FROM MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS AND SEVEN TOTAL FROM DUBLIN AND OTHER AREAS. THIS CONCLUDES THE AUGUST REPORT. THANKS BENNY. YEP. ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON EITHER REPORT? THE AIR TAXIS DOUBLED. IS THERE A NEW SERVICE OR IS I HAVE NO IDEA. YEAH. UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR WHY THAT DOUBLED THAT WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO FIVE RIVERS AVIATION, UM, TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. BUT IT COULD JUST BE THAT THERE WAS EXTRA EVENTS GOING ON. UM, MORE MEETINGS BY A LOT OF THE PEOPLE USING THOSE AIR TAXI SERVICES, UH, THROUGH FIVE RIVERS AVIATION, ALL OF THAT IS THE JET TRAFFIC THAT IT WAS INCREASING. I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. IT'S KIND OF UNRELATED. HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK ON, UH, ON, UH, FROM CUSTOMERS BUYING FUEL AT THE SELF-SERVE ISLAND ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET RECEIPTS? NOT RECENTLY, NO. AS I FLEW A COUPLE SUNDAYS AGO AND I GASSED UP OVER THERE AND THE MACHINE WASN'T PRINTING, SO I WENT AND WALKED IN AND THE GAL AT THE OFFICE SPENT ABOUT 15 MINUTES TRYING TO FIND A PASSWORD TO GET INTO THE SYSTEM AND I JUST FINALLY GAVE UP. SO, OKAY. WE CAN BRING THAT UP WITH FIVE RIVERS. YEAH, I FIGURED I'D ASK PETE ABOUT IT WHEN I SAW HIM, BUT OKAY. I FIGURED IF IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM, MAYBE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, SO NO, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT THAT. BUT I CAN TALK TO PETE TOMORROW. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I, I WAS JUST FLYING MY OWN PERSONAL PLANE. I DIDN'T NEED A, I DIDN'T, I DON'T NEED A RECEIPT 'CAUSE I GOT A CREDIT CARD RECEIPT. BUT I MEAN, IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FLYING PROFESSIONALLY AND THEY GOTTA TURN IN RECEIPTS TO OPERATORS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A QUE THIS IS COMMISSIONER FARLEY. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT NUMBERS AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE [00:15:01] TOTAL NUMBERS ARE DOMINATED BY WHETHER PLEASANTON HOUSEHOLD A IS HOME OR NOT . YEP. AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THEY WENT ON VACATION IN AUGUST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS FOR THE OTHER PEOPLE SUBMITTING ARE FAIRLY CONSTANT ACTUALLY. OR WHEN THERE'S A BIG DECLINE, IT'S BECAUSE HOUSEHOLD A HASN'T BEEN RECORDING. SO WE SHOULD CREATE A, A BUDGET ITEM TO MAKE A VACATION FUND FOR HOUSEHOLD A. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION, I'M JUST NOTING YEAH, YOU JUST, SINCE WE SEE THIS IN FRONT OF US, IT SEEMS TO BE THAT I KNOW HOUSEHOLD A DRIVES WHETHER IT'S A HIGH OR LOW MONTH. WELL, THAT WE'LL SEE WHAT'S IN THIS IN THIS REPORT THIS WEEK. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO ABOUT THE SKEWED DATA, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S A RIGHT. WELL, THE WAITING, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE. I ALREADY LOOKED THIS OTHER, THIS IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING. IT, IT'S REALLY GOOD. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET A PRESENTATION, BUT IT DOESN'T BREAK IT DOWN BY HOUSEHOLD A AND B. IT'S BY ALL OF PLEASANTON. RIGHT. SO YOU DON'T SEE THE ONE PERSON GOING ON VACATION. WELL, IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENT, COMMISSIONER FARLEY, THAT HOUSEHOLD A FOR PLEASANTON IN ONE REPORT MAY NOT BE HOUSEHOLD A FOR PLEASANTON IN ANOTHER REPORT. OH, IS THAT TRUE? YES. OH, OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING TOO. THE NAMES ARE CHANGED TO MAKE THE INNOCENT FEEL GUILTY. YEAH. WE PROTECT, WE PROTECT THE GUILTY NO TO, THERE IS A UNIQUE IDENTIFIER THOUGH, THAT IS PRESERVED IN THE REPORTS, RIGHT? OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THIS ID SHOULD BE CONSISTENT AGAIN, NOT, NOT, NOT BECAUSE I I HAVE ANY DISCREPANCY WITH IT. BUT DO YOU MEAN THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON OR A DIFFERENT HOUSE WHEN YOU SAY THAT? UM, IT'S TIED TO HOUSEHOLD, IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT HOUSE. IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT HOUSE, YES. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR YOU WANNA GET, GET, CREATE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT? I MOTION TO COMMISSIONER FARLEY. I'M MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT. THIS IS COMMISSIONER DOMBROWSKI. I'LL SECOND A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER SHELLENBERGER IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LEVI IS ABSENT. COMMISSIONER FARLEY AYE. VICE-CHAIR DOMBROWSKI AYE. COMMISSIONER BISHOP? UH, NO. AND I GUESS FOR CLARIFICATION, I WAS ACCEPTING BOTH REPORTS WAS I THINK THE INTENT. YES. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, THE ENTIRE REPORT. SO IT STILL PASSES, RIGHT? OR IT STILL IS ACCEPTED. TWO OUTTA THREE. RIGHT. UH, SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 5.2, AIRCRAFT INCIDENT REPORT AUGUST, 2025. I'LL GIVE YOU THE MIC BACK, BENNY. THANK YOU CHAIR BISHOP. ITEM 5.2 IS THE AIRCRAFT INCIDENT REPORT FOR AUGUST, 2025 ON AUGUST 15TH, 2025 AT 5:30 PM AN LVK TENANT AND A TWIN PIPER PA 34 200 LANDED ON RUNWAY TWO FIVE RIGHT IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE LANDING, THE NOSE GEAR COLLAPSED. AIRPORT STAFF ASSISTED IN THE REMOVAL OF THE AIRCRAFT FROM THE RUNWAY AFTER THE AIRCRAFT WAS RELEASED BY THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD. PERSONNEL RUNWAY TWO FIVE, RIGHT WAS CLOSED FROM APPROXIMATELY 5:30 PM UNTIL 9:00 PM THERE WERE NO INJURIES TO THE PILOT, CO-PILOT OR THE ONE PASSENGER ON BOARD. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO CITY PROPERTY. THAT CONCLUDES THE INCIDENT REPORT FOR AUGUST. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, ITEM FIVE, THREE STAFF REPORT DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF NEW MONTHLY NOISE REPORT AND REPORTING PROCEDURE FOR LIVERMORE AIRPORT. RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE AIRPORT COMMISSION REVIEW AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE NEW MONTHLY NOISE REPORT AND REPORTING PROCEDURES. THANK YOU CHAIR BISHOP. WE'RE BRINGING THIS ITEM BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AS THE COMMISSION HAS REQUESTED, UH, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AS HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED, UM, WE'LL BE INTRODUCING OUR, UM, ASSISTANT HERE IN THE OFFICE. UH, SUNNY WILL BE MAKING THE PRESENTATION ON THE NEW AIRPORT NOISE REPORTS. WHAT'S BEEN DONE IS WE HAVE TAKEN THE WEEKLY NOISE REPORTS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND COMBINED THEM INTO A MONTHLY REPORT AT THIS COMMISSION'S DIRECTION, WHICH WE'LL SEE TODAY AT THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT COMBINED MONTHLY REPORT. SOME THINGS OF NOTES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MISSING FROM THAT IS THE WEEKLY REPORTS HAD MAPS OF WHERE THESE, UH, NOISE CONCERNS HAD BEEN SUBMITTED FROM. WE'VE REMOVED THOSE MAPS FROM THE MONTHLY REPORT. THE REASON WHY WE'VE REMOVED THOSE MAPS FROM THE MONTHLY REPORT IS JUST THE SHEER AMOUNT OF DATA THAT HAS GOTTEN ONTO THE MAPS MADE 'EM EXTREMELY HARD TO READ AND ADDED VERY LITTLE VALUE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DATA. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE THE DECISION TO REMOVE THOSE. UM, AND SO OTHER THAN THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO SUNNY, WHO CAN MAKE THE PRESENTATION ON THESE MONTHLY REPORTS AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS. UM, HELLO AND GOOD EVENING. MY NAME [00:20:01] IS SUNNY AMI. I AM THE LIVERMORE LIVERMORE AIRPORT DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT, AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THE NEW, UM, MONTHLY AIRPORT NOISE REPORT. UM, JUST LIKE BENNY SAID, BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS HAD REGARDING NOISE REPORTS, UM, WE REFORMULATED THE WEEKLY REPORT INTO A NEW MONTHLY REPORT FORMAT, UM, FOCUSING ON MAKING IT EASIER TO READ AND MAKING THE INFORMATION A BIT MORE CLEAR. UM, YEAH, ONE THING WE DID WANNA POINT OUT WAS THE REMOVAL OF THE MAPS. THEY CAUSE MORE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS DUE TO THE OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF DATA THEY CONTAIN. AND, UM, I DID WANNA SHARE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE POSTED, UM, AROUND 20 DAYS AFTER THE, UM, PREVIOUS MONTH DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DO GIVE FOR TWO WEEKS AFTER THE MONTH FOR RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT THEIR CONCERNS AND THEN A DAY FOR THE DATA TO BE, UH, SEEN BY OUR STAFF. LOOKING AT TOTAL OPERATIONS, WE SEE THAT THE DAY DAILY, UM, FLIGHTS RANGE FROM AROUND 200 TO 435, BUT THE TOTAL OF AROUND 11,000 OPERATIONS PER THE MONTH. UNDER THAT CHART, WE CAN SEE THE TOTAL NOISE CONCERNS. YOU CAN SEE THE DATES UNDER ON THE XX. AND THEN UNDER THAT, THE LAST CHART THAT WE SEE IS A PERCENTAGE FROM THE TOTAL OPERATIONS. SO OUT OF THE 11,000 OPERATIONS, ONLY 2% OF THOSE WERE A CAUSE FOR CONCERN. WE CAN SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT SUBMITTED CONCERNS PER CITY DUBLIN. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF TWO RESIDENTS SUBMITTING CONCERNS. LIVERMORE NINE RESIDENTS SUBMITTING CONCERNS AND PLEASANTON AT 16 WITH THE MOST CONCERN, UM, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT SUBMITTED CONCERNS BY DATE WITH THE HIGHEST BEING SEVEN FOR THESE SPECIFIC DATES. AND THEN NOISE CONCERNS PER CAUSE. THE THREE MAIN CAUSES WERE THE AIRCRAFT BEING TOO LOUD, TOO LOW, AND TOO LOW AND LOW. NEXT WE CAN SEE THE TOTAL NOISE CONCERNS BY HOUSEHOLD PER CITY SHOWING THAT 16 HOUSEHOLDS IN PLEASANTON SUBMITTED A TOTAL OF AROUND 116 CONCERNS. NINE RESIDENTS IN LIVERMORE SUBMITTED A TOTAL OF 37 CONCERNS AND TWO RESIDENTS IN DUBLIN SUBMITTED A TOTAL OF 29. UM, THESE WERE, UH, THE TOTAL NIGHT OPERATIONS, WHICH ARE FLIGHT RANGING FROM 10:00 PM TO 6:00 AM WITH THE TOTAL BEING AROUND, UM, 182 THE NIGHT OPERATIONS CONCERNS PER EACH NIGHT AS WELL SHOWING WITH THE TOP BEING AROUND THREE. AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM WE CAN SEE, UH, AGAIN, A COMPARISON OF THE TOTAL CONCERNS VERSUS THE TOTAL NIGHT OPERATIONS WITH NIGHT OPERATIONS BEING AROUND NIGHT OPERATION CONCERNS BEING AROUND 11% OF THOSE TOTAL OPERATIONS. THIS DOES SHOW THAT NIGHT OPERATIONS ARE KIND OF OUR MAIN CONCERN CAUSE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE MONITORING PRETTY CLOSELY. AND THEN AT THE END WE CAN SEE THE TOTAL NOISE CONCERNS BY HOUSEHOLD FIVE CITY SHOWING THAT MOST OF OUR CONCERNS ARE FROM NIGHT, NIGHT FLIGHTS, DUBLIN BEING TWO LIVE MORE, 15 AND PLUS AND THAT SINK LOOSE THE MONTHLY REPORT. UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY QUESTIONS REGARD. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO COVER, UM, IN THIS, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ONE OF THE PROCEDURAL, UH, ITEMS THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS TALKED ABOUT, ABOUT IS HOW THESE REPORTS WOULD BE HANDLED MOVING FORWARD. IT IS THE STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE REPORTS WOULD NO LONGER BE PRESENTED TO THE AIRPORT COMMISSION ON A MONTHLY BASIS. INSTEAD, THESE WOULD BEGIN TO LIVE ON THE AIRPORT'S WEBSITE AND UPDATED MONTHLY. UH, SO PROCEDURALLY WE WOULD NOT BE BRINGING THESE NOISE REPORTS BACK FOR THE REPORTS THAT ARE READ OFF, UH, FOR THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AT EACH UH, AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING. THE OTHER THING, UH, OF NOTE IS THAT THE DATA, UM, OR THE REPORTS WILL NOT BE, UM, MADE AVAILABLE UNTIL AFTER 20 DAYS INTO THE NEXT MONTH. UM, AND AS SONNY HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, UM, ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE DO ALLOW RESIDENTS TO 14 DAYS TO SUBMIT A CONCERN. SO ON THE VERY LAST DAY OF THE MONTH, THEY HAVE UP TO 14 DAYS TO SUBMIT A CONCERN FOR ANY FLIGHTS ON THAT DAY. UH, AND ALSO A LOT OF OUR OPERATIONAL DATA IS PULLED FROM FAA OPERATIONAL DATA THAT IS NOT MADE AVAILABLE TO US UNTIL AFTER THE 20TH OF THE SUBSEQUENT MONTH. SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF WAIT FOR ALL THAT DATA TO COME IN BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY PROCESS IT AND GET IT OUT. SO IN BETWEEN THE 20TH OF THE SUBSEQUENT MONTH TO THE END OF THE MONTH IS WHEN THAT [00:25:01] REPORT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE PUT OUT. UH, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE PUT OUT BEFORE THE FIRST OF THE NEXT MONTH. SO IT WILL BE TRAILING JUST SO THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BASICALLY THE, THE REPORTS ON THE WEBSITE WILL HAVE DATA THAT'S TWO WEEKS OLD, BASICALLY. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? UH, YES. OKAY. UM, UH, SO ON THAT, CAN YOU ROLL THAT SLIDE BACK? CAN YOU GO BACK SUNNY, UH, TO THE, THE NIGHT OPERATIONS? THAT ONE, THERE'S, YOU SEE HOW ON THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM GRAPH, THEY ALL SAY THREE? YES. DO WE DO, DO WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THREE FAR? FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATION? UH, 61 POINT 57 IS A RECENCY OF EXPERIENCE. AND FOR A PILOT TO BE ABLE TO CARRY PASSENGERS IN AN AIRCRAFT IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE DONE THREE TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS. OKAY. AND FOR DAY CURRENCY, IT CAN JUST BE A TOUCH AND GO WHERE A PLANE LANDS ROLLS DOWN THE RUNWAY GOES UP AGAIN. BUT FOR NIGHT CURRENCY, IT HAS TO BE A FULL STOP LANDING. AND SO THAT'S WHAT ALL, EVERY ONE OF THOSE ONES, THAT'S THREE IS A PILOT THAT IS GOING OUT THERE AND JUST DOING THREE TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS TO GET THEIR CURRENCY RENEWED FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS. SO THEY CAN CARRY PASSENGERS AT NIGHT. SO IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A NIGHT FLIGHT COMING UP, SAY THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THEIR, TAKE SOMEBODY OUT TO DINNER OR WHATEVER, WELL, IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT NIGHT CURRENCY, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO OUT SOME NIGHT BEFORE THAT PLANNED FLIGHT BY THEMSELVES AND GET THEIR THREE TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS IN THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. AND THAT'S THE ONE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE, UH, I GET, I GET IT. THE VOLUNTARY NIGHT FLYING, UH, POLICY, UM, ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES PILOTS TO NOT BE NIGHT CURRENT. SO THERE'S A, WE WE'RE WHAT KIND OF WALKING A FINE LINE IN ON, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED OF PROMOTING SAFETY AND, AND, UH, NOISE. SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS ARE, IS ARE PILOTS THAT ARE MAINTAINING THEIR CURRENCY IS, AND UH, PROFICIENCY IS PILOTS. SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE WATCHING THAT. YEAH, WELL THAT'S WHY YOU'RE, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING FOUR OR FIVE. SO THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE PILOTS ARE ACTUALLY DOING SUCCESSFUL AND THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR THREE. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND, AND DAVID, I KNOW LAST TIME WE TALKED, UH, WE ABOUT THIS, WE, WE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT, OH, PEOPLE CAN ZOOM IN ON THE MAP AND SEE WHICH HOUSE, IT'S THE THIRD HOUSE ON THE END OF THIS STREET THAT'S COMPLAINING, LET'S, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT REMOVING THE MAP, THAT TOTALLY TAKES AWAY THAT CONCERN, DOESN'T IT? COMMISSIONER FARLEY? I AGREE WITH THAT. I'M, I'M WONDERING THOUGH, IS IT POSSIBLE JUST HAVE A MAP WITH LIKE A HOTSPOT? YOU KNOW, THAT LITTLE CIRCLE THAT'S A LITTLE BIGGER OR A LITTLE SMALLER? IS THAT, WOULD THAT CLEAR? CLARIFY THE MAP SO WE CAN AT LEAST SEE HERE'S THE RUNWAY AND HERE'S THE HOTSPOT ON THE MAP. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TOO HARD. YOU JUST PUT DOTS ON THE MAP AND LET, LET THE DOTS JUST OBLITERATE. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THING ON THE INTERNET WHEN THERE'S LIKE A LOT OF HITS ON A CERTAIN WORD. YEAH. THE WORD GETS REALLY BIG ON THE, ON THE LITTLE SIDE PANEL. IS THERE A WAY WHERE WE CAN JUST SHOW SORT OF DENSITY OF JUST PUT THE DATA DOTS WITH NO LABELS PROBABLY OR SOMETHING? OR, YEAH, OR LIKE A A A DARKER CIRCLE OR, OR SOMETHING. IT WOULD JUST BE INTERESTING. I THINK. I'M NOT DEMANDING IT, BUT IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE. I, I, I LIKE THAT IDEA. IT WOULD SHOW, IT WOULD SHOW PREDOMINANTLY THE HOTSPOTS IN, IN PLEASANTON. YEAH. SO I DUNNO IF WE'RE MAKING THIS A SUGGESTION OR NOT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME A MAP FOR ME AT LEAST, WOULD HAVE SOME UTILITY, BUT I ALSO CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT COULD GET REAL MESSY REAL QUICK. SO I GUESS I'M ASKING IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE? WELL, SUNNY, ARE YOU THE, ARE YOU THE PERSON THAT CAN CAME UP WITH ALL THIS FORMAT AND EVERYTHING? YES. WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR WORK. NO PROBLEM. AND THAT'S A GOOD JOB TAKING LONGER THAN THE SUMMER. NOW YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE HERE AFTER THE SUMMER. YOU KNOW, UM, I DO WANNA SAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE MAPS, THE, THE ACTUAL DOT FOR THE POINTS OF WHERE IT'S COMING FROM IS A SOLID COLOR. I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF WE COULD MAKE IT A BIT MORE TRANSPARENT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE AREA, WHICH IT ISN'T. OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE JUST LIKE A BIG BLACK DOT. HMM. OH, IT'LL BE LIKE YOU JUST, SO IF IT'S A BUNCH OF HOUSES IN, IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'D BE LOOK LIKE YOU DROPPED A BIG BUCKET OF BLACK INK OR SOMETHING RIGHT THERE ON. CAN I, CAN I ASK WHICH MAPPING SOFTWARE YOU GUYS ARE USING? I'M TAKING, UM, SOME OF THE DATA OFF OF CASPER. DOES CASPER PROVIDE THAT? WELL, WE'VE HAD LIKE THOSE OTHER MAPS THAT WERE IN THE PRINTOUTS THAT YOU WERE GIVEN TO THE CITY, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT CAS THAT'S CASPER COMES DIRECTLY FROM CASPER. YES. SO WE ARE, WE, SO WE CAN, IN RESPONSE, COMMISSIONER [00:30:01] FARLEY, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE FEASIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ASKING. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. UM, WE MAY BE LIMITED BY THE CASPER SOFTWARE AND HOW TO DO THAT, AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE POSSIBLE IF WE INVOLVED GI IS TO CREATE THE MAP THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, A LOT OF ADDITIONAL STAFF TIME IN ORDER TO DO SO. SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. UM, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO INORDINATELY TAKE UP STAFF TIME, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL REVISIT THAT. PLEASE. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO THIS, UH, BISHOP, I, I, MY 2 CENTS IS UH, UH, DON'T BOTHER. I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH THE, THE HASSLE TO 'CAUSE IT, IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITIES THAT THEY'RE COMING FROM, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. LIKE, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T YEAH. DEMANDING. YEAH, I KNOW. WELL, WE SAW THAT NICE CASPER MAP IS WHAT YOU WERE, I YEAH, AND MY QUESTION JUST NOW, THE ANSWER APPARENTLY IS WHATEVER CASPER USES FOR THEIR MAPPING SOFTWARE IS WHAT YEAH. IS GOING TO BE USED. WE, MYSELF, WE, WE'VE USED A VARIETY OF MAPPING SOFTWARE THAT YOU FEED IN A SPREADSHEET AND YOU CAN PICK, YOU CAN PICK THE ICONS YOU WANT OR HOW YOU WANT IT DISPLAYED. IT'S SORT OF USER CHOICE. BUT IF YOU'RE RESTRAINED BY WHATEVER CASPER MAKES AVAILABLE, THEN I WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYBODY TO GO LEARN SOME NEW SOFTWARE. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE COMMISSIONER FARLEY MADE A QUESTION ABOUT IT. WELL, I GUESS WITH CASPER YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY, OKAY, THIS REPORT COVERS LIKE, UH, SEPTEMBER 3RD TO OCTOBER 7TH, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO SET THOSE DATES AND HAVE CASPER GENERATE A, A, A MAP BASED ON THOSE DATES FOR IT TO BE VALID MAP, RIGHT? YES. AND CASPER CAN ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S PROBABLY, WHICH YOU DOUBTING IT. OPTION DATE BOUNDARIES, TIME BOUNDARIES, GATED BOUNDARIES. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO WITH CASPER. SO IT IS A VERY STRONG TOOL. UM, BUT IT IS LIMITED IN CERTAIN WAYS. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'M GONNA REVISE MY STATEMENT. I'M GOING TO SAY IF IT'S AN EASY SWING TO DO SOME DENSITY LIKE PICTURE, THAT WOULD BE NIFTY TO LOOK AT, THAT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS ARE HAPPENING. THE NOISE AND WHERE THE AIRPORT ACTUALLY IS AND RUNWAYS ARE POINTED WOULD BE INTERESTING. BUT I AGREE WITH CHAIRMAN BISHOP THAT IF IT'S A BIG HALL, DON'T BOTHER. BUT IF IT'S AN EASY HALL AND YOU JUST PRESS A KEY YEAH. THEN I WOULDN'T MIND, I MIGHT HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS JUST IN GENERAL, BUT I DON'T WANNA SKIP PAST THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. WELL, DAVID, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, I SUSPECT THAT SONNY ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS AN EASY SWING, YOU PROBABLY WOULD'VE TAKEN IT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE 'CAUSE YOU DID PREEMPTIVELY BRING THAT UP GOING, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A MAP BECAUSE IT'S NOT BO IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKING BIG BLACK INK SPOTS. SO, BUT YOU, YOU'RE NOT USING THE CASPER SYSTEM FOR EVERYTHING, RIGHT? JUST PULLING SELECTED DATA OUT FOR THIS REPORT. I DID, YES. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. GOING FORWARD, HOW LONG, HOW MUCH STAFF TIME DO YOU THINK IT'LL TAKE TO GENERATE ONE OF THESE REPORTS? UM, WHEN SOMEBODY GETS THE HANG OF IT. WHEN SOMEBODY GETS THE HANG OF IT, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO LONG. YEAH. OH, OKAY. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD. I'D HATE TO THINK SOMEBODY'S POURING HOURS AND HOURS INTO, I HAVE A, WE'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT IT MORE THAN I THINK WE SHOULD. A CLARIFYING COMMENT. SO ON THE TOTAL NIGHT OPERATION CONCERNS THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS COMPLAINTS OR OPERATIONS OR OPERATIONS THAT WERE COMPLAINED ABOUT OPERATIONS, IT WOULD BE CONCERNS DURING THE TIMES BETWEEN . SO THERE WERE THREE COMPLAINTS. SO, UH, JUST TO THE POINT OF THE THREE FULL STOPS FOR NIGHT CURRENCY, YOU STOP, WOULD THAT, WOULD ONE AIRCRAFT GET THREE OPERATIONS AND ONE COMPLAINT ON? WOULD YOU HAVE TO COMPLAIN EACH TIME? I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE ACCOUNTING THERE, THAT'S REALLY JUST THREE, THREE THINGS HAPPENED THAT NIGHT THAT SOMEBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE THREE THAT IS CORRECT. IT MAY AND AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT WITHIN THE CASPER SOFTWARE SYSTEM. YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO TELL WHETHER OR NOT THOSE THREE, UM, CONCERNS WERE TIED TO A SPECIFIC FLIGHT OH, YEAH. OR MULTIPLE FLIGHTS. OH YEAH. YOU CAN TRACK IT OFF OF AN A TRANSPONDER. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT GETS TO DARREN'S POINT BECAUSE IF IT'S A FULL STOP AND THEN IT COUNTS AS THREE SEPARATE FLIGHTS AND THEN IT GETS COMPLAINED THREE TIMES, IT'S REALLY ONE EVENT, IT'S, YEAH. RIGHT. SO, BUT IT COULD ALSO VERY WELL BE THREE SEPARATE EVENTS. SO WE CAN'T TELL THAT FROM HERE. NO. OKAY. I DO LIKE THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF NOISE VERSUS TOTAL, I THINK THAT'S IN THE PREVIOUS REPORTS, IT KIND OF, IF YOU JUST GET THESE BIG NUMBERS AND I THINK, RIGHT, AND IF THIS REPRESENTATION HOW NOISY THE AIRPORT IS, WHEN YOU, ESPECIALLY DURING THE DAYTIME, IT'S JUST A TINY PERCENT. AND IF YOU DO A LITTLE BIT MORE MATH, THAT'S NOT ON HERE. BUT IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF NIGHT CONCERNS AS 24, [00:35:01] AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CONCERNS, UM, ON THE FIRST PAGE, WHICH IS 182. SO 24 OF THAT 182 DROPS YOU DOWN TO LESS THAN A PERCENT FOR NOISE CONCERNS SUBMITTED AS A RESULT OF NIGHT FLIGHTS. OKAY. SO THIS TOTAL DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NIGHT. SO THE NIGHT JUST A SUB. YEAH. SO THAT TOTAL DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NIGHT. SO IF YOU SEPARATE OUT THAT THE NIGHT FLIGHT CONCERNS ARE A PERCENT OF A PERCENT, OKAY. I, I REALLY, I REALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WAS MISSING BEFORE. IT'S JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS BIG NUMBER AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE LATCHING ONTO. MM-HMM . JUST THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER, NOT THE RATIO. SO MM-HMM . OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER FARLEY AGREE WITH THAT. WHAT, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS EVEN THOUGH 24%, THE NIGHT FRACTION SEEMED LIKE, OH MAN, 24%. BUT I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S STILL A, A, A VERY LOW NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS. AND GUESS WHAT? AT NIGHTTIME IT'S QUIET, , YOU KNOW, YOU'RE EATING YOUR DINNER, YOU'RE HOME, AND OH MAN, I'M TRYING TO GO TO BED. IT'S 11 O'CLOCK, I HEAR SOMETHING, I'M GONNA COMPLAIN. OR IF IT'S DAYTIME, IT'S HIGHER. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. YOU'RE NOT EVEN HOME. UM, THERE'S THE FREEWAY TRAFFIC, THERE'S PEOPLE HONKING THEIR HORNS. I FEEL LIKE EVEN THOUGH IT'S 24%, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S NOTHING TO GET ALL EXCITED ABOUT, IN MY OPINION. NOT, NOT TO, NOT TO DOWNPLAY PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT NOISE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M SAYING 24% VERSUS 2% YEAH. SHOULDN'T MAKE PEOPLE JUMP UP AND GET UPSET ABOUT NIGHTTIME. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S MUCH FEWER YEAH. AND IT'S, AND IT'S QUIET AT NIGHT. SO, AND THAT'S AN ADDED PORTION. WE CAN AUGMENT THAT NIGHTTIME NOISE CONCERN GRAPH TO INCLUDE A TOTAL OPERATIONS COMPARISON. YEAH. 'CAUSE WHAT'S MISSING FROM THIS IS NOT, THIS IS JUST COMPARED TO TOTAL NUMBER OF NIGHT OPERATIONS AND THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ARISEN FROM THAT, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL COMPARISON TO TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE MONTH. SO IF YOU WERE TO SEE THOSE SIDE BY SIDE, THAT YES, YOU WOULD SEE 11% IS A HIGHER NUMBER, BUT WHEN YOU SEE IT AS COMPARED TO TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS, IT DROPS SIGNIFICANTLY. YEAH. YEAH. THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS, AND I I AGREE. I REALLY LIKE THAT WE SEE MORE NOW. IN FACT, I LIKE BOTH TO BE HONEST. I LIKE BEING ABLE TO SEE HOUSEHOLD A AND HOUSEHOLD B AND, AND ALL OF THAT. BUT I LIKE THIS TOO. UM, YOU JUST LIKE SEEING WHO'S ON VACATION. I JUST LIKE, I JUST LIKE, YEAH, I TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE UP TO . BUT WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY ON THE FIRST PAGE SLIDE, IT SEEMS TO ME NUMBER OF OPERATIONS AND NUMBER OF NOISE CONCERNS ARE COMPLETELY UNCORRELATED. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A LOT ONE DAY OR A LITTLE THE NEXT DAY, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET MORE. IF WE WERE TO DO A FRACTION FOR EACH DAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE ALMOST RANDOM IS WHAT I'M SEEING. YEAH. RIGHT. UM, UNLESS WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO GO BY THE TYPE OF OPERATION AND FIGURE OUT THAT THOSE ARE CORRELATED, I THINK, I THINK TYPE PLAYS A BIG THING. AND I, I ALSO BELIEVE WIND, I THE PREVAILING WIND, LIKE JUST HOW FAR THE SOUND'S CARRYING AND LIKE YOU SAID, IF IT'S A QUIETER DAY, UM, YEAH. AND SO THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF METRICS. YEAH. YOU CAN GO DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE VERY DEEP. YEAH. YOU CAN GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE. BUT THE FIRST SLIDE, A OBJECTIVE OBSERVER WOULD SAY THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN NUMBER OF OPERATIONS AND NUMBER OF NOISE COMPLAINTS. UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY BUGS CERTAIN PEOPLE. AND WHEN THOSE HAPPEN, THERE'S A CORRELATION, YOU NEED A CORRELATION OF WHAT DAYS THAT PITS S TWO B IS GOING ZING Z ZING, ZING Z AROUND THE PATTERN. YEAH. IT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYBODY GO DIG INTO THIS. I WOULD SAY IT'S, UNLESS IT WAS A SUMMER PROJECT FOR SOMEBODY, I WOULD SAY THEY, THEY ARE SOMEWHAT CORRELATED. IF YOU PUT A CORRELATION LINE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE, YOU MIGHT SEE A VERY SIMILAR WAVE. UH, BUT IT'S HARDER TO SEE IN THESE. YEAH. AGAIN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE START DOING ALL KINDS OF EXTRA WORK LIKE SONNY OR WHOMEVER ELSE IN THE STAFF OFFICE, BUT I'M SAYING TO SOMEBODY LOOKING ONLINE, I THINK ANYONE WOULD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S NO CORRELATION. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO FIND THE CORRELATION IT PRO, IT WOULD BE IN THE DATA SOMEWHERE , BUT YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IS IT MILITARY? IS, IS IT, I MEAN, NO, AND IT LARGELY DEPENDS TOO. THERE HAVE BEEN DAYS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THESE REPORTS. THAT'LL BE DAYS WHERE YOU HAVE ALMOST NO OPERATIONS, BUT YOU HAVE 30 DIFFERENT CONCERNS. WHEREAS THE NEXT DAY YOU'LL HAVE 400 OPERATIONS AND LIKE TWO CONCERNS. AND IT REALLY JUST KIND OF COMES DOWN TO THE TYPE OF NOISE AND THE NOISE TOLERANCE FOR THAT, FOR THAT SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL. UH, FOR, UH, K FOR EXAMPLE, MANY INDIVIDUALS DO NOT, UH, MIND THE NOISE OF JET TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT COMES IN FAST, IT LEAVES FAST. UM, AND THE, THE TYPE OF FREQUENCY THAT THE JET, UH, TURBINE [00:40:01] ENGINES CAUSE DON'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE AN ANNOYANCE FOR SPECIFIC PEOPLE. OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TOLERATE THAT FREQUENCY AS WELL. AND SO THEIR ANNOYANCE LEVELS GOES UP WITH THAT. UM, IN FACT, DOWN AT THE NOISEY AND EMISSIONS, UM, SYMPOSIUM, UH, NASA ACTUALLY COVERED IT AT GREAT LENGTH. UH, PIS PISTON ENGINE AIRCRAFT ALSO HAS THE SAME TYPE OF ANNOYANCE LEVELS BASED OFF OF THE SPECIFIC PERSON'S SENSITIVITY AND DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES. SO ONE PERSON MIGHT NOT HEAR A JET GO RIGHT PAST THEM, WHEREAS THEY'LL, THEY'LL HEAR A PISTON ENGINE, ENGINE AIRCRAFT GO BY FIVE MILES AWAY. UM, SO IT REALLY JUST KIND OF DEPENDS. YEAH. UM, SO WHAT IT SAYS TO ME AS A POLICY GROUP, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING WE COULD SUGGEST AS SOMETHING TO LIMIT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THAT WOULD BE. IF SOMEBODY SAID, MAN, WE GOTTA REDUCE THESE NOISE COMPLAINTS. THEY GO, OKAY, HOW? BECAUSE THERE'S NO STRONG INDICATOR OF WHAT IT IS. IT MIGHT BE BURIED IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO THROW OUR HANDS UP AND SAY IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE CORRELATED TO ANYTHING. SO HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO, OTHER THAN VOLUNTARY NIGHT FLYING RULES? I MEAN, WELL, I THINK THE FIRST STEP IN WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INITIALLY WAS, UH, HAVING CLEANER DATA, WHICH I THINK THIS IS, AND THEN WE CAN ESTABLISH A BASELINE. SO IF TWO PERCENT'S THE BASELINE, LIKE IF WE SEE THAT CONSISTENTLY CORRECT TIME, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ONE MONTH IT'S 4% OR 5%, THEN THAT'S CAUSE FOR US TO LOOK CORRECT. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING. SURE. IF IT'S TRENDING THE WRONG WAY, THEN WE KNOW. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING COMMISSIONER LEVI IN PREVIOUS MONTHS HAD BROUGHT UP IS BY GETTING THIS BASELINE FIRST AND THEN WATCHING THE DATA OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THAT SPIKE, THEN YOU CAN SAY, HEY, SOMETHING HAPPENED, LIKE WHEN THE, UH, C ONE 30 DECIDED TO GO AROUND THE VALLEY REALLY LOW, UH, TO A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND WE GOT 150 CONCERNS FOR THIS AIRCRAFT, YOU KNOW, THAT JUMPED UP ON THE NOISE REPORTS. AND SO OF COURSE WE WERE THERE AT THE TIME, SO WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS, BUT IF WE WEREN'T AND WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON THE DATA, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, SOMETHING HAPPENED AND MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BE PROACTIVE ABOUT. SO IF IT'S A C ONE 30 MILITARY AIRCRAFT, PROBABLY NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO. HOWEVER, IF IT'S AN AIRCRAFT FROM ONE OF OUR FLIGHT SCHOOLS THAT WAS OPERATING IN A DIFFERENT MANNER, WE COULD GO TALK TO THAT FLIGHT SCHOOL AND SIT DOWN AND SAY, HEY, THIS FLIGHT HAPPENED ON THIS DAY AND IT CAUSED THIS AMOUNT OF ANNOYANCE. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE? A DIFFERENT LOCATION PICKED, UH, DIFFERENT ALTITUDES. UM, THERE'S A MULTIPLE OF DIFFERENT INPUTS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE ALTERED IN SUCH A WAY TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. GREAT. AND I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND I WILL STOP ASKING QUESTIONS. ON THE LAST ONE, THE NIGHT CONCERNS BY CITY. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT NOW LIVERMORE IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINER, NOT PLEASANTON. SO LIKE CHAIRMAN BISHOP WAS SAYING THE THREE UM, NIGHT OPERATIONS THERE, OR ONE OPERATION PER ANYHOW, THREE INSTANCES OF ONE OPERATION, THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE IF THEY'RE JUST COMING AND GOING RIGHT AROUND IN LIVERMORE AND THEY NEVER END UP OVER PLEASANTON PATTERN. WELL, AND A LOT OF THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, THE PRIMARY, UM, ARRIVAL, UM, FOR LIVER OR FOR LVK IS OVER LIVERMORE, UH, FOR MOST OF THE YEAR. SO THOSE ARRIVALS COMING IN FROM LIVERMORE, UH, WOULD BE GOING DIRECTLY OVER A LOT OF THE RESIDENCES THAT ARE TO THE EAST OF LAS POSITAS. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT OVER PLEASANTON BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, UM, THAT ARE IN THAT AREA. SO BY THE TIME THEY'RE OVER THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS COMING IN, UM, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. HOWEVER, THIS GRAFT PROBABLY WOULD FLIP IN FAVOR OF PLEASANTON IN THOSE MONTHS WHERE THE RUNWAYS FLIP. YEAH. SO IN THOSE, IN THOSE MONTHS WHERE THE SEVENS BECOME THE ARRIVAL, UH, RUNWAY, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE HIGHER NUMBERS FOR PLEASANTON. WELL, THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE AS WINTER ARRIVES. RIGHT? AND ALSO DEMOGRAPHICS ARE DIFFERENT IN THE EVENING, RIGHT? EVERYBODY'S AT WORK DURING THE DAY. THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO AT NIGHT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF PEOPLE AT HOME. SO MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN IN LIVERMORE ARE AT WORK DURING THE DAY. . YEAH. I APPLAUD YOU GUYS LOOKING AT NUMBERS ON PAPER, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING. YEAH, WHY NOT? UH, IT'S YOUR PHYSICISTS. SO WE'RE YEAH. DON'T INVITE US. DON'T INVITE US. YOU SHOULD OPEN UP AGAIN. DON'T, DON'T EVER SHOW THESE TO US EVER AGAIN. . OKAY. AIR AIRPORT COMMISSION PODCAST COMING UP. . YEAH. ONLY MURDERS IN THE BUILDING. UH, MY LAST PO PROBABLY LAST, UM, UH, OH, [00:45:01] QUESTION HEDGING IS, I THINK WE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE, BUT I FORGOT ON WHATEVER PAGE WE'RE ON THE ONE WHERE IT'S PER CAUSE LOW AND LOUD CIRCLING, I DON'T REMEMBER. WHEN SOMEBODY FILES SOMETHING, CAN THEY ONLY PICK ONE OF THESE OR THEY CAN PICK MORE THAN ONE OF THESE? SO, UM, THEY CAN ONLY PICK ONE. PRIOR TO THIS, IT WAS JUST CIRCLING NIGHT OPERATIONS TOO LOW OR TOO LOUD. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD FOUND WAS THERE WERE MULTIPLE, UH, RESIDENTS WANTING TO SUBMIT A NOISE CONCERN THAT WANTED TO SUBMIT ONE AS LOW AND LOUD, BUT THAT OPTION WAS NOT AVAILABLE. SO THEY WERE SUBMITTING TWO DIFFERENT REPORTS. HMM. WE HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT AND ADDED A FIFTH OPTION. WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED FIVE THROUGH THE CASPER SYSTEM. SO THE FIFTH OPTION IS NOW ALLOWED LOW AND LOUD FOR THOSE PARTICULAR RESIDENTS WHO WANNA SUBMIT CONCERNS BASED OFF OF BOTH OF THOSE. RIGHT. AND DID WE EVER FIGURE OUT THIS IDEA OF IT'S ONE FLIGHT OPERATION AND ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE ARE REALLY MAD ABOUT IT AND THEY, THEY, EVEN IF THEY DO ONE OF THE FIVE, THEN THEY GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE AND PICK ANOTHER OF THE FIVE? IT IS, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN. AND IN THE EARLY DAYS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD SEEN. HOWEVER, SITTING DOWN WITH, UH, BRETT GREGORY, WHO REALLY IS THE ONE THAT POURS OVER THE NOISE CONCERNS AND REPORTS MORE THAN ANY OF US, UM, IN TALKING WITH HIM IN THE LAST YEAR TO YEAR AND A HALF, THAT IS A PRACTICE THAT WE HAVE NOTICED HAS STOPPED. SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, RESIDENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTING 50 COMPLAINTS ON THE SAME FLIGHT. IT IS POSSIBLE. YEAH, IT CAN HAPPEN. IT'S A TREND, BUT IT'S NOT A TREND. YEAH. SO MY CONCLUSION THEN IS THAT THIS FINAL GRAPH, BOTTOM GRAPH HERE IS KIND OF LEGIT OF LIKE INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS OF A EVENT. IT IS NOT BEING SKEWED BY MULTIPLE HITS OR CHOOSING MORE THAN ONE OPTION AND AND SKEWING ALL OF THEM UP. IT TRULY IS SORT OF AN INDIVIDUAL EVENT DIAGNOSTIC HERE. CORRECT. SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO, UH, WHAT'S THE ACTION YOU'VE ASKED US, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND YOU MENTIONED THAT WE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY GET THE NOISE POINT EVERY, EVERY MEETING NOW. SO I WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE IF WE DON'T GET IT EVERY MEETING, IF WE DO ESTABLISH A BASELINE, THEN WHEN SOMETHING DEVIATES FROM THAT BASELINE, THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT. YES. I THINK I WAS HOPING TO SEE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS SYSTEM AND TO JUST HAVE THE, THE REPORTS ON THE WEBSITE, AND THEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, IT CAN BE DONE IN THE, UH, OPEN FORUM BY US OR ANYBODY OR ANYBODY. AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN INTO THE OPEN FORUM AND SAY, I GUESS THE THING, BECAUSE YOU'RE, BECAUSE YOU'RE STILL GOING, EVEN IF, EVEN IF THIS GETS ON THE WEBSITE AND WE JUST GO, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS ON THE WEBSITE, YOU'RE STILL GONNA GIVE US A OPERATIONAL REPORT, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO DURING THAT TIME, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE THE TIME THAT WE WOULD, LIKE, IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME, ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW ON THE, ON THAT REPORT, I WOULD GO TO THE WEBSITE. MAYBE YOU BRING, BRING THAT UP AT DURING THAT QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD AFTER YOUR, YOUR OPERATIONS REPORT. MAYBE THAT'S THE QUESTION. WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE OPERATIONS REPORT GOING FORWARD? EVERYTHING SAID THIS, SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S SOME DIRECTION THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO YOUR COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US. WOULD YOU WANT THESE NOISE REPORTS TO GO ONLINE AND STAY THERE AND NOT BE BROUGHT TO YOU MONTHLY? IN WHICH CASE THE OPERATIONAL REPORT WILL JUST BE OPERATIONAL TRAFFIC AND FUEL SALES AND WE WOULD NOT BE INCLUDING THE NOISE REPORT? OR WOULD IT BE WE ALSO WANNA SEE THIS AS WELL? I, I, I HAVE ONE SUGGESTION ON THAT. SO YOU, IN THE NORMAL OPERATIONS REPORT, YOU HAVE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS. SO WE'RE ALREADY GONNA REPORT THAT. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD THE NUMBER OF THOSE OPERATIONS THAT HAD A COMPLAINT, WHICH WOULD BE THAT 2% NUMBER. SO THAT WAY WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THAT BASELINE INFORMATION EVERY MEETING. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW. SO THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE OH, ON, ON THE FIRST PAGE, THE BOTTOM, THE THE BOTTOM LITTLE CIRCLE GRAPH. YEAH. BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GONNA KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET REPORTED ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OPERATIONS. SO IT'S JUST AN ADDITIONAL ADDENDUM THAT 2% OF THEM OH, GENERATE. OH, SO YOU WOULD STILL LIKE THE NOISE DATA, BUT JUST THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW, BUT JUST, JUST THAT LITTLE CIRCLE GRAPH. OKAY. BECAUSE IF, IF THAT JUMPS, THAT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY. AND OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S JUST WHAT IT'S, THAT'S SO SIMPLE. A PILOT CAN EVEN UNDERSTAND . IT'S NOT CROSS YOUR FINGERS. . WELL, OKAY, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT ISN'T IT NICE TO SEE MONTH TO MONTH THE TRENDS GOING UP AND DOWN AND YOU CAN SEE PEOPLE'S SUMMER VACATIONS AND YOU CAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE WEBSITE. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS. I GUESS I DON'T HAVE IT. YEAH. SO I GUESS YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WE DO SEE LIKE THE, WE SAW THE [00:50:01] PREVIOUS MONTH'S TOTAL NUMBER. SO WE, WE COULD TURN THAT PERCENTAGE INTO AN ONGOING GRAPH, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU COULD MONTH YOU COULD, YOU COULD EACH MONTH YOU COULD MAKE IT INSTEAD OF A CIRCLE. I AGREE THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE A 2%, 3%, ONE POINT HALF PERCENT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SUMMARY DROPS DOWN BECAUSE EVERY, THE THREE PEOPLE WENT ON VACATION. I I LIKE THAT. OKAY. YOU, YOU GUYS, OKAY, SO HERE'S, THIS WAS MY GOAL OF THIS IS THAT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS. IT'S AN AIRPORT. AIRPLANES FLY, THEY MAKE NOISE, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. AND YOU KNOW, FOR US, WE, WE, WE'VE, I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, BUT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT. NOTHING CHANGES. IT JUST, PEOPLE STILL COMPLAIN. I THINK OVERALL WE'RE GONNA, AND I THINK THAT, I THINK IF WE, WE HAVE A DUTY TO PUT THAT, THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT AND IT'S THERE. NOW IF I THINK WHAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE, UH, MAYBE TARA SAYS I, I SHOULDN'T MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION THAT SAYS WE ACCEPT THIS. AND THEN DURING, UH, BENNY'S OPERATION REPORT, IF THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TIME TO BRING THIS STUFF IS LIKE IF YOU COULD LOOK, IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT AND YOU GO, HEY, THERE'S A, THIS I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE, THE WEBSITE'S PUTTING OUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CHANGE WHAT'S BEING PUT ON THAT REPORT OR YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER, THEN WE, THEN WE TALK ABOUT IT THEN. BUT, SO IF I MIGHT INTERJECT IN TERMS OF THE, THE OPERATIONAL REPORTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO YOU NOW, THE COMMISSION'S RULES AND PROCEDURES DOES MAKE THIS COMMISSION ADVISORY TO THE AIRPORT ON NOISE CONCERNS. SO IF WE ARE TO INCLUDE THAT ONE PORTION SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT PORTION IS DOING, IT'LL STILL GIVE THIS COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ADVISORY ON THIS. IF YOU SEE THOSE THINGS CHANGING. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO, YOU KNOW, ASK US QUESTIONS, HEY, WE NOTICED THIS CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS COUPLE OF MONTHS. CAN WE LOOK INTO THIS? YEAH. TO SEE WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. SO TO CHAIRMAN BISHOP POINT, I, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE WERE SUGGESTING IS WE, WE ARE AGREEING MM-HMM . TO KEEP THIS ON THE WEBSITE AND WE DON'T NEED TO SEE IT EVERY YEAH. EVERY MONTH. THE QUESTION I THINK THAT WE WERE GOING TO IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE CURRENT SETUP? AND WE WERE IN LINE WITH YOU OF LET'S REDUCE IT, BUT HOW FAR TO REDUCE IT, OH, I THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD, THIS NEW STUFF WOULD REPLACE THAT. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. WE'RE, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE NEW STUFF WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE. I THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT EVERY MONTH. THAT WAS THE GOAL WAS TO REPLACE IT. SO CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE, WE STARTED TALKING, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REPORT AS IT IS SUBMITTED NOW WOULD GO AWAY AND BE REPLACED BY THIS. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING TOO? WELL, WHEN YOU SAY REPORT, SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE WHOLE OPERATION SECTION. SO WE HAVE FLIGHTS, FUEL. YEAH. SO YOU WOULD STILL GET FLIGHTS, FUEL, THEN ALL THE COMPONENTS, THE NOISE SECTION WOULD CHANGE, RIGHT? SO THE NOISE SECTION WILL CHANGE. SO THE NOISE SECTION WOULD CHANGE FROM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS PIECE WITH ALL THE BACKUP, YOU WOULD INSTEAD JUST GET THAT PIECE. NOW, BENNY, QUESTION FOR YOU, THIS NEW STUFF THAT WE SEE, THIS IS MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN REPORTING TO THE CITY EVERY WEEK ANYWAY, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. AND SO THIS WOULD, BY DOING THIS, THIS WOULD REDUCE YOUR GUYS' WORKLOAD FROM FOUR TIMES A MONTH TO ONCE A MONTH. CORRECT. AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE THAT GRANULAR DATA, BUT THE CITY STILL GETS THEIR WEEKLY REPORT, DON'T THEY? THE CITY DOES CONTINUE TO GET ITS WEEKLY REPORT. UM, WHETHER THAT WOULD CHANGE TO A MONTHLY REPORT OR NOT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING WITH THE CITY. YES. ALRIGHT. SO TO CLARIFY THEN, WHAT WE'RE SAYING, I GUESS IS ARE WE REPLACING THE CURRENT SETUP WITH THE NEW SETUP? AM I, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? I THINK SO, YES. AND SO WHAT IS GOING TO BE WEBSITE ONLY? NOTHING IS WEBSITE ONLY. WELL, THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED TO US IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING. I THINK IT'S UP TO YOU ON WHAT YOU WANNA SEE. I THINK THIS IS ONLY ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH, I THOUGHT WE JUST SAID WE'RE GONNA REPLACE, LIKE BENNY WAS SHOWING US THIS WITH THIS. SO THAT GOES AWAY, THAT GOES ONTO THE WEBSITE. WE HAVE A MEETING BENNY BRINGS UP TO OPERATIONAL PORTS ABOUT OPERATIONS AND FUEL SALES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND THEN IT OPENS UP, WE OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT STUFF. AND THEN IF ANYBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW ON THE WEBSITE, THEY CAN BRING IT UP THEN. SO IN THE, IN THE AGENDA THAT WE RECEIVE EVERY MONTH MM-HMM . THIS WON'T BE IN IT. WELL, WE WOULD HAVE TO INCLUDE A PORTION OF THAT IN ORDER TO, TO DISCUSS IT ON THE AGENDA. AND LIKE WE'RE SAYING MAYBE THE 2%, THAT SIMPLE LITTLE GRAPH, SO PERCENT OF SIMPLE LITTLE GRAPH OPERATIONS THAT WOULD GO IN IN LEO. SO FINAL CLARIFICATION THEN THE CURRENT THING IS GOING AWAY. MM-HMM . THIS IS NOT REPLACING IT, IT WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. BUT SOME, [00:55:01] SOME PIECE OF IT MONIKER OF IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA EVERY MONTH. AND IT'S UP TO US HOW PERVASIVE THAT THAT SNIPPET IS GOING TO BE. CORRECT, CORRECT. I GUESS WHEN I SAY REPLACE, OKAY. 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, RIGHT. ANGELA POSTS OR WHOEVER POSTS THE PACKET WITH ALL THE, ALL THIS, ALL THAT STUFF ON THE COMMISSION'S, UH, SCHEDULE WITH THE PACKET THERE SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ALL THIS DATA. WELL NOW IT JUST WON'T BE IN THE PACKET. IT'LL JUST BE ON THE WEBSITE ALL THE TIME. AND THEN OUR PACKET IS JUST AGREED. SO I AM, I'M SO CLEAR, WE'RE STILL GETTING THE DATA TO 'EM, BUT I, I'M STILL, I I FULLY UNDERSTAND, IS THERE A WAY WHEN WE GET THE EMAIL FROM YOU THAT SAYS, HEY, HERE'S THE NEW AGENDA, LIKE THE HYPERLINK TO THE, SO WE CAN JUST CLICK ON IT AND GO LOOK AT THIS. OR, OR CF, RIGHT. OR GIVE IT TO US ONCE AND I'LL BOOKMARK IT SOMEWHERE. YEAH, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. WE CAN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN INCLUDE THE LINK ON IT FORCES ME BEFORE THE MEETING TO AT LEAST LOOK AT IT. YEAH. AND IF I SEE SOMETHING, I AGREE WITH THAT TOO. YEAH. SEE SOMETHING MAYBE JUST HAVE LIKE A USEFUL LINKS MIND. WE COULD, THE THE LINK. LINK WOULD BE FINE. BECAUSE EVEN AS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT ALL, SO CLICK ON IT IN CASE THEY DIDN'T REMEMBER TO GO TO THE WEBSITE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE NOW MAKING A MOTION TO ACCEPT? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU GUYS TO DO. . WELL, YOU GOTTA LET US YOU GOTTA LET US RUN IT DOWN. I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW. RUN IT DOWN. IT'S, IT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS. THINK, I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UH, WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. UM, WELL, SO, SO REMOVING THE CURRENT NOISE ON OUR PACKET, UH, THE PRESENTED DOCUMENT WILL BE IN ON THE WEBSITE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE OF EVENTS THAT CREATED OR OPERATIONS THAT CREATED A NOISE COMPLAINT. AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE CHART SO WE HAVE A IN TIME SO WE CAN KEEP THE NINE DOWN TREND. BUT THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO SEE, I THINK. OKAY. SO I, OKAY, THAT'S MY MOTION. I SECOND THAT MOTION. SO YOUR MOTION IS TO REMOVE THE REPORTS AS THEY ARE NOW TO POST THESE REPORTS ONLINE, BUT TO ONLY INCLUDE THE PERCENT CONCERNS VERSUS OPERATIONS AS A PART OF THE ACTUAL REPORT THAT YOU RECEIVE WITH A LINK TO THE FULL REPORT? YES. OKAY. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE NIGHT ASPECT? THAT 20, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. SO WE'RE JUST HAVING THIS ONE GRAPHIC BY MONTH. AND WE CAN DO A, IS THE TOTAL, WE CAN DO A SIDE BY SIDE. SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO CIRCLES, ONE TOTAL, AND ONE JUST NIGHT SIDE BY SIDE. THAT'S, THAT'S EASY ENOUGH TO DO. IT'S EASY TO DO. I LIKE THE SIMPLE PERCENTAGE. IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, WE HAD, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. TOTAL. YEAH. MAKE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A NIGHT. ONE ALSO IS ALL I'M ASKING, DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE THE NIGHT ONE? NO. THAT DOUBLES THE DATA. OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE FULL REPORT SO WE CAN DIG INTO THE DATA. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, AGREE. AND I THINK THIS IS RESPONSIVE TO THE PUBLIC, SO THEY HAVE MEANINGFUL DATA TO LOOK AT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WITHOUT, WITHOUT. 'CAUSE A LOT OF THE ISSUE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST IS WITH, IF THEY DON'T SPEND THE TIME REALLY GOING THROUGH THIS DATA, IT'S, YOU CAN TAKE THE WRONG CONCLUSION. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT IT TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ALL AGREEING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE, AND EVERYBODY, I MEAN, PART OF, PART OF OUR DUTIES IS TO PROMOTE THE AIRPORT AND I, AND I THINK SHOWING A GRAPH THAT SHOWS THAT A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE NEAR THE AIRPORT IN OTHER CITIES DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE AIRPORT. YEAH. IN FACT, I'M GONNA RESCIND MY LAST COMMENT OF THE NIGHT ONE, BECAUSE PEOPLE NOT KNOWING MORE WOULD SEE 24% NIGHTTIME AND MIGHT GET EXCITED. AND, AND WE MAY, THAT MAY NOT BE, BECAUSE I THINK EVERY ONE OF THOSE THREES THAT WAS UP THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT GENERALLY, EXCEPT FOR KEEPING CURRENT EVERY 90 DAYS, THEY, THEY DON'T FLY AT NIGHT. RIGHT. AND ALSO POSSIBLY IT SHOULD BE ONE EVENT, NOT THREE. SO, SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. . I DON'T, DID IT CHANGE? I DON'T KNOW. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. SO CAN YOU GUYS GEL IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT ANGELA CAN WRITE DOWN? SO BASE, UH, SO IF I CAN GEL IT DOWN, IF YOUR, YOUR MOTION IS TO, UM, OMIT THE NOISE, THE NOISE REPORT FROM OUR, OUR, FROM YOUR MONTHLY REPORT BECAUSE IT IS BEING REPLACED WITH THE, UH, MONTHLY REPORT ON THE WEBSITE AND TO, AND, UH, THIS, THE GRAPH OF, OF TOTAL PERCENTAGE OF COM OF CONCERNS VERSUS, UH, TOTAL OPERATIONS WILL BE ON. THAT WILL BE THE ONLY THING THAT'S LISTED IN OUR AGENDA. AND A HYPERLINK TO THE, WITH A, WITH A, YEAH, WITH A LINK TO THE FULL REPORT. SO ANYBODY CAN PULL IT UP. I, I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. 'CAUSE IT THAT'LL MAKE OUR JOB EASIER WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR DD ON THIS. IS HE MAKING THE MOTION NOW OR THAT NO, I'M JUST HAPPENING. I'LL REITERATE. I'M ACTING WAS I'M THE CHAIR, BUT I'M ACTING LIKE THE SECRETARY. OKAY. SO VICE CHAIR DOMBROSKI MADE THE MOTION. [01:00:01] WE UNDERSTAND THE MOTION. ANGELA HAS WRITTEN IT DOWN. I CAN SECOND IT. THANKS. GO FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE. I THINK YOU SHOULD. I DID. COMMISSIONER SHALLENBERGER'S ABSENT. COMMISSIONER LEVI'S ABSENT. COMMISSIONER FARLEY. AYE. VICE CHAIR DON BROWSKI. AYE. CHAIR BISHOP. AYE. MOTION PASSES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING RIGHT ALONG. I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM. SO THAT WAS ITEM FIVE THREE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO ITEM SIX, COMMITTEE REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY STAFF AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ANY STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR SIX UNLESS THE COMMISSION DOES. NO. UH, SO OUR FAVORITE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, ADJOURNMENT TO A REGULAR AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, 2025. 6:30 PM CIVIC CENTER MEETING HALL, WILLIAM H MENDEN HALL, COMMUNITY ROOM 10 16 SOUTH LIVERMORE AVENUE. I THINK THAT'S HERE. AND, UH, SONNY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, PUTTING ALL THE TIME INTO THIS FOR US. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.