* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL [1. CALL TO ORDER] THIS MEETING TO ORDER. WOULD STAFF PLEASE INITIATE THE ROLL CALL? UH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, PRIOR TO ROLL CALL, STAFF WOULD JUST LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER COLUM HAS RESIGNED. AND WE, UH, HAVE ONE NEW COMMISSIONER IN ATTEND, UH, TONIGHT. UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHA NASSER. OKAY. ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER PAN HERE. COMMISSIONER NASTI. PRESENT CHAIRPERSON. VICE CHAIRPERSON HANNON. HERE. OKAY, LET'S, UH, STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OH, THERE IT IS. WHERE IS BEHIND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG? UNITED STATES AND AMERICA TO PUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. AND ITEM TWO IS OPEN FORUM. I HEREBY OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? NO. OKAY. SEE AS THERE IS NONE. THE NEXT UH, ITEM IS THE CONSENT COMMISSIONER, MAY I PLEASE, UH, CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD. OKAY. CLOSE THE COMMENT PERIOD. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO WHAT'S NEXT ON YOUR, UM, COMMENT PERIOD? UH, I HEREBY CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE DONE THIS ASPECT OF IT, SO BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT. UM, GOOD. OKAY. [3. CONSENT CALENDAR] CONSENT CALENDAR. AND THERE ARE ITEMS ROUTINE THAT ARE, UH, ACTED UPON BY THE COMMISSION BY A SINGLE ACTION. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO, UH, PROVIDE PUBLIC INPUT MUST HEREBY, UH, SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD. PLEASE, UH, OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. OKAY. OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NO SPEAKER CARDS WERE PROVIDED. OKAY. AS THERE ARE NO SPEAKER CARDS, UH, I HEREBY CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND DOES THE, UH, COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? OKAY. NONE HERE AS THERE ARE NONE. UH, WE'LL PROCEED WITH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A MOTION ON IT BECAUSE JUST, UH, PLEASE ASK MOTION THERE. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION? YEAH. DO HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, UH, NOMINATE. AND, UH, A SECOND, UH, THE ITEM 3.1 AND 3.2. WE COULD PROBABLY VOTE ON BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S PROBABLY OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM PRIOR MEETINGS. SO, UM, I, I MOVE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE STAFF, UH, OR TO, EXCUSE ME, TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES, UH, FROM, UH, JUNE OF, UH, NO, EXCUSE ME. FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025. AND, UM, WAIT, I'M SORRY. UM, MODIFIED. OH, UH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THOSE SEPARATELY. UM, SO I APOLOGIZE. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM, UH, FEBRUARY 6TH, 2025. AND SO WE NEED A SECOND. I SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? UH, IT'D BE A VOTE AT THIS POINT. A VOTE. A VOTE TO APPROVE? YES. AND I VOTE. AYE. COMMISSIONER NERO. OKAY. ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO ABSTAIN 'CAUSE YOU WERE NOT PRESENT, RIGHT? OR THAT'S, THERE'S A NEW, YEAH, I JUST READ IT. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH, THE, UH, THERE'S A NEW RULE THAT SAYS WE CAN, RIGHT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S EFFECTIVE YET BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN, UH, FULLY APPROVED ADOPTED YET. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SORRY. I, I HAD READ THAT. SO, COMMISSIONER ANNOUNCED YOUR BODY DOES HAVE TO ABSTAIN AB AS SHE WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE FEDERAL. OKAY. CORRECT. UH, SO, [00:05:01] BUT WITH JUST THE TWO OF US, WE CAN APPROVE THOSE MEETING MINUTES. SO I APPROVE, UH, COMMISSIONER HANNAN APPROVED. OKAY. UH, SO MEETING MINUTES, UH, PASS, UH, THEY'RE APPROVED. SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM WOULD BE 3.2. UH, A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE HPC REVISED RULES OF PROCEDURE. IS THERE ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? FIRST, NO COMMENTS. NONE FROM ME. I MAKE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE ITEM 3.2, THE, UH, HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE 2023 THROUGH 2025. AND, UH, WE'LL NEED A SECOND FOR THAT. A, CAN I SECOND IT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I SECOND IT. AND THEN, UM, UH, VOTE TO APPROVE. I'M IN FAVOR. AYE. AYE. YOU CAN VOTE TO COMMISSIONER, UH, NAATI. AYE. AYE. YES. THANK YOU. AND NOW WE CAN GO TO PROJECT REVIEW. I DON'T SEE THAT THERE IS A PROJECT REVIEW. THERE ARE NO ITEMS UNDER THE PROJECT REVIEW. YEAH. UH, NOTHING UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS EITHER. SO, NEXT ITEM UP [6. MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION] IS WHAT? SIX COMMISSION AGENDA MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION. 6.1, WHICH IS ELECTION OF THE 2020 5 26 HISTORICAL PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIR. YES. SO WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR. UM, SO YEAH. ANY NOMINATIONS? I NOMINATE NEIL PAN AS, UH, FOR THE CHAIR. THANK YOU. UHHUH? UH, WE NEED A SECOND. I SECOND. AND THEN A VOTE. OH, DO WE NEED TO DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME? UH, LIKE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. CHAIR FIRST. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT USED TO DOING THE ROLL CALL VOTE, SO I APOLOGIZE. ROLL CALL, VOTE. UH, COMMISSIONER PAN. UM, I, YES. COMMISSIONER A YES. VICE CHAIR PERSON. HANN? YES. UM, AND THEN I WOULD, UH, THEN, UM, I'LL NOMINATE YOU, SIR, TO CONTINUE AS VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. AND A SECOND. I SECOND. EXCELLENT. HI. GUESS WE'RE GONNA SAY THIRDS, BUT . I GUESS WE CAN DO ROLL CALL THEN. YES. ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER PAN. YES. COMMISSIONER NASTI? YES. VICE CHAIR PERSON. HANNON? YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. FOR, FOR GOOD MEASURE, I SUGGEST WE DO A, A ROLL CALL VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT THAT WE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER THAT, SO, OH, THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO LET'S DO A FORMAL CALL VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. OH, I THOUGHT WE APPROVED EACH ITEM UNDER, UH, 3.1 AND 3.2. WE CAN, UH, APPROVE IT AGAIN ALL AT ONCE. JUST DOING A ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. THERE WAS NO ROLL CALL AT THE BEGINNING. OH, I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. ROLL CALL. UM, COMMISSIONER PAN. UH, I APPROVE. COMMISSIONER NA, I APPROVE VICE CHAIRPERSON HAND. I APPROVE TO DO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM 6.2. 6.2. HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES FOR THE CITY TO PRIORIT. PRIORITIZE FOR INCLUSION IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORICAL PLACES AND CALIFORNIA REGISTER OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES. RESOURCE. DOES STAFF HAVE A PRESENTATION? YES. STAFF HAVE A PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING. AT THE MARCH, UH, SEVENTH, 2024 MEETING OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. A PROPOSAL TO ESTABLISH A CONDENSED LIST OF PROPERTIES FOR THE CITY TO PRIORITIZE FOR INCLUSION IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND OR CALIFORNIA REGISTER WAS ADDED TO THE 2025 WORK PLAN. 20 24, 20 25 WORK PLAN AS PROJECT NUMBER TWO, THE COMMISSION DETERMINED THE PROCESS FOR NOMINATING A LOCAL RESOURCE FOR LISTING IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OR CALIFORNIA REGISTER IS A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING. AND THE FIRST STEP SHOULD BE TO DETERMINE WHICH LOCALLY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES ARE MOST ELIGIBLE. THE COMMISSION DETERMINED THE FIRST STEP COULD BE COMPLETED THROUGH A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMISSION, WORKING WITH THE CITY HISTORIAN AND STAFF. AN AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE COMPRISED OF FORMER CHAIR CENTRAL FORMER COMMISSIONER CULLUM AND FORMER CITY HISTORIAN ALAN FRANK HAS WORKED WITH PLANNING DIVISION [00:10:01] STAFF REGARDING THE PROJECT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION FORMS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT AND APPROVED THE FIVE RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES AS THOSE FOR THE CITY TO PRIORITIZE FOR NOMINATING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER AND OR CALIFORNIA REGISTER. THOSE FIVE PROPERTIES ARE 2247 FIRST STREET, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE MASONIC BUILDING 20 20 35 FIRST STREET, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE SHONE BUILDING, 2,500 RAILROAD AVENUE, WHICH IS THE RAILROAD DEPOT AND IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF LIVERMORE 5 22 SOUTH L STREET, WHICH IS THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL BUILDING AND IS OWNED BY ALAMEDA COUNTY AND 2016 PINE STREET, WHICH IS KNOWN AS DOHERTY GARAGE AND IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF LIVERMORE. THANK YOU. AND STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ITEM? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, IT SEEMS, I THINK FIRST THING, FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS PROBABLY OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE SPECIFIC ITEM. ALRIGHT. WHAT HE SAID, OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD, LIKE WE HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IN THE PUBLIC , WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES. NO. NO. OKAY. SORRY. UM, THEN WE SHOULD, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK UP HERE, UH, TO ANY COMMENTS, UH, BY ANY OF US ACTUALLY. OKAY. SO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION AMONGST US. STAFF YEAH. FOR QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION AMONGST US, DISCUSSIONS AMONGST US. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THE PARTICULAR, UH, ON THE FIVE BUILDINGS THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE APPROVING TONIGHT. MM-HMM . YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF NOTES THERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? WELL, THEY'RE NOT ALL MY NOTES, BUT, OH, OKAY. UM, NO, I THOUGHT THEY DID A VERY THOROUGH JOB OF COVERING IT IN THESE, THEY'RE ALL DESERVING. YEAH. UM, AND IF WE COULD APPROVE 'EM ALL IN ONE FELL SWOOP, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, BUT I THINK WE CAN. YEAH. YEP. I DO THINK THEY'RE ALL DESERVING TOO. I KNOW ALL OF THEM. YEAH. THEY, THEY'RE VERY ICONIC BUILDINGS IN TOWN OR, OR, UM, AND LOCATIONS. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, ON, ON WHAT THEY DID? I, YEAH, I'M, I'M WONDERING HOW, HOW WE WILL PROCEED WITH THAT. RIGHT. UH, IN WHAT RESPECT? IN THE RESPECT THAT OKAY. UH, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE HISTORIC, UM, BUILDINGS. THEN WHAT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF ACTUALLY. YEAH. STEPS. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? THANK YOU. SURE. SO THESE, THESE, UH, PROPERTIES WERE SELECTED FROM A LIST OF, UH, A MUCH LARGER LIST OF PROPERTIES CLOSER TO 50 THAT WERE ALL DETERMINED, UH, TO BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND ELIGIBLE FOR THE CALIFORNIA OR NATIONAL REGISTER IN THE CITY'S EXISTING HISTORIC RESOURCES INVENTORY. MM-HMM . SO THESE ARE DEFINITELY HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR EITHER THE CALIFORNIA NATIONAL REGISTER. IF THE COMMISSION APPROVES THIS LIST TONIGHT, THEN THIS IS A LIST THAT WILL STAY WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION AND POTENTIALLY AS A FUTURE WORK PLAN ITEM OF THIS, OF THIS COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION AND STAFF CAN WORK ON SUBMITTING A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR ONE OR MORE OF THESE PROPERTIES TO EITHER THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR LISTING IN EITHER OF THE REGISTERS. IF I COULD JUMP IN HERE REAL QUICK, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UM, FINANCIAL OR WORKLOAD OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY STAFF TO PROCEED WITH MOVING ONE OF THESE FORWARD? AND WOULD IT BE, UM, WOULD IT BE, COULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO AS A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT TO PERHAPS, UH, RECOMMEND WHICH ONE WE WOULD PREFER AS A BOARD TO, OR AS A COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD ON FIRST? OR IF MAYBE STAFF HAD A RECOMMENDATION WE SHOULD, SHOULD CONSIDER FOR A FIRST ONE? SO, SORRY, MULTIPLE PART QUESTION THERE. 'CAUSE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE MIGHT DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I GUESS WHAT IS THE CRITERIA FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH ONE OF THESE POTENTIAL FIVE MM-HMM. STAFF. YEAH. AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE LIKE, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, SO I GUESS THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M GETTING AT. STEPH'S, UH, SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO MAKE IT A FUTURE WORK PLAN ITEM OF THE HPC TO GO ABOUT PICKING FROM THIS LIST OF FIVE AND PICKING ONE TO DECIDE ON TO NOMINATE. SO, OKAY. THAT'S [00:15:01] A GOOD IDEA. OKAY. AND WHAT WOULD BE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN? THOSE ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. STAFF WILL HAVE TO LOOK MORE INTO THE FINANCIAL ASPECT. I GUESS I'M JUST MOST CURIOUS, LIKE, I KNOW STAFF IS VERY BUSY, YOU KNOW YEAH. REVIEWING PROJECTS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I GUESS HOW WOULD THAT FALL INTO THE PRIORITY LIST OF MAKING SOMETHING LIKE THAT MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPETUS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? LIKE, STAFF IS ALWAYS GONNA BE BUSY, SO, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS ARE ALWAYS COMING IN. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO HOPEFULLY MOVE THESE FORWARD. UH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS I'M MOSTLY INTERESTED IN LIKE, LET'S, IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, LET'S GET SOMETHING ROLLING ON THIS AND NOT LIKE, GO THROUGH ANOTHER SIX MONTHS. 'CAUSE I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING TO A, A BUY-IN A BI-MONTHLY MEETING IN, IN NEXT YEAR. SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, IT'S GONNA TAKE MANY MORE MONTHS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A COMMISSION OR, OR A SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN MEET AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK TO US. IT COULD BE LIKE FOUR OR SIX MONTHS BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. MM-HMM . SO IF, IF THIS ITEM IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THEN UM, WORK PLAN PROJECT NUMBER TWO WOULD BE COMPLETED STAFF'S HOPING TO BE ABLE TO BRING A WORK PLAN PROJECT FOR TO THIS COMMISSION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. OKAY. AT THAT POINT, THE WORK PLAN AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS WOULD BE COMPLETED AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO ADD NEW WORK PLAN ITEMS TO THE WORK PLAN THE FIRST MEETING OF 2026. OKAY. SO STAFF, UM, COULD, UH, AGENDIZE SOMETHING ON MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION TO BRING TO THIS COMMISSION IN EARLY 2026 MM-HMM . TO, UM, REQUEST THAT HPC PICK FROM THIS LIST OF FIVE OKAY. AND MAKE IT A NEW WORK PLAN ITEM TO GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR EITHER THE CALIFORNIA REGISTER, THE NATIONAL REGISTER FOR ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES. I SEE. AND, UM, THAT CAN BE, THAT CAN BE MADE A FORMAL WORK PLAN ITEM AND THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO ENSURE THAT PROGRESS IS MADE TOWARDS ITS COMPLETION. OKAY. UM, STAFF WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS SURROUNDING THIS PROCESS. IT IS A LENGTHY AND TIME CONSUMING PROCESS, UM, STAFF WHO WOULD BE WORKING ON IT IN COOPERATION WITH MOST LIKELY AN AD HOC SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE HPC IF WE DO IT THE WAY THAT OTHER WORK PLAN ITEMS HAVE BEEN TACKLED. OKAY. UH, WOULD SPEND A LOT OF, A LOT OF TIME ON THIS PROJECT, BUT, UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE LISTED ON THE NATIONAL OR CALIFORNIA REGISTER MM-HMM . THAT ARE, UH, UH, CITY OWNED PROPERTIES. ONE OF THEM IS HAGERMAN RANCH AND STAFF PLANNING STAFF DID ONCE BEFORE GO, AT LEAST ONCE BEFORE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF, OF DOING THIS. SO HA HAS BEEN DONE. THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR IT, EVEN THOUGH IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. OKAY. OKAY. SO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE CAN DIVE A LITTLE FURTHER INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT SORT OF, UM, PROCESS AND TIME COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY AND, AND POTENTIALLY, UH, BECAUSE I ASSUME THERE'S SOME FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS OF APPLICATIONS AND SUCH THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED POSSIBLY EVEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR BUDGETARY REASONS OR, OR NOT. PO POTENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS TO LOOK INTO MORE, BUT MOST OF THE COST WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST STAFF'S TIME. TIME, WHICH IS ALREADY BUDGETED OKAY. WITH STAFF POSITIONS AND, OKAY. SO THOSE WEREN'T, WOULDN'T BE THE, THOSE WOULDN'T REQUIRE NEW, NEW BUDGETING. BUT IF, IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF, IF A CONSULTANT, AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT NEEDED TO BE HIRED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THIS, IF THAT WAS DETERMINED, THEN THAT WOULD REQUIRE YEAH. UH, SOME BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THE, THE MORE OF THAT DETAIL CAN BE DOVE INTO BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WILL LOOK FURTHER INTO POTENTIALLY NOMINATING ONE OF THESE, UH, BRINGING ONE OF THESE BACK TO HPC TO RECOMMEND TO STAFF MOVE FORWARD WITH YEAH. THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, UH, A, A GOOD WAY TO PROCEED IS TO GET IT ON THE WORK PLAN IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER, EVEN IF IT COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD AT A RAPID PACE, ESPECIALLY IF IT NEEDED BUDGET FOR A CONSULTANT, AT LEAST IT WOULD BE ON THE WORK PLAN. OKAY. AND STAFF COULD WORK WITH HPC, UM, ON, ON THOSE DETAILS TO REALLY GET IT GOING. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE, SO WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS THEN AT, AT THIS MEETING THEN, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. YES. STAFF. YEAH. STAFF SUGGEST WAITING FOR A, UH, APPLICABLE STAFF REPORT FROM, [00:20:01] UH, FROM STAFF IN 2026 TO MAKE THIS A, A WORK PLAN ITEM. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT STAFF'S HEARING IS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PICKING ONE OF THESE FIVE PROPERTIES TO BE THE SUBJECT OF A FORMAL APPLICATION. YES, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, I AGREE. YES, I AGREE. ABSOLUTELY. UM, OKAY. UM, THEN IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE ANY FORMAL MOTIONS TO DIRECT STAFF OR IS OUR CONVERSATION ENOUGH DIRECTION ENOUGH FOR STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE A THE COMMISSION'S LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, DO WE, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. UH, SHOULD WE BE CHOOSING, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR? OR, UH, I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING SCHEDULED THIS YEAR. WOULD THAT THEN BE THE TIME TO DO THAT AND CHOOSE WHICH, OR, OR I, I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE HERE AND WHETHER WE SHOULD DO SOME SORT OF A SUBCOMMITTEE OR POTENTIALLY WAIT, I, ARE WE GETTING ANOTHER MEMBER, UM, SOON YES. THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE BACK UP TO FIVE MEMBERS BY IN TIME FOR A POSSIBLE NOVEMBER MEETING. OKAY. UM, STAFF WASN'T CURRENTLY PREDICTING THAT THERE WILL BE A NOVEMBER MEETING, BUT A DECEMBER MEETING. A DECEMBER MEETING. SO BY DECEMBER WE SHOULD BE BACK UP TO FIVE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE GOAL. YES. I MEAN, IT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO JUST KIND OF MAYBE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ITEM TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THEN MAYBE WAIT UNTIL OUR DECEMBER MEETING THAT WAY WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE AND GET THE OTHER PEOPLE GET A CHANCE TO, UM, GIVE INPUT, YOU KNOW, GIVE INPUT, AND THEN POSSIBLY EVEN SERVE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. IS THAT THINKING I'VE SEEN AGREEMENTS. GREAT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. I AGREE TOO. SO, UM, OKAY. SO YEAH, STAFF, UH, UNDERSTANDS FROM THIS CONVERSATION THAT THERE IS INTEREST IN SELECTING A PROPERTY FOR A FORMAL APPLICATION. AND IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO REITERATE THIS, UH, TONIGHT, YOU COULD DO IT IN ITEM UNDER ITEM SEVEN COMMISSION REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. YOU CAN, UM, MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IN, IN THAT PART OF THE AGENDA. WE COULD ALSO DO IT AS AN AMENDMENT ON THIS ITEM, JUST SAY, UM, AH, THAT, THAT PROBABLY GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED FOR YEAH. UM, BUT YES. OKAY. WE COULD DO THE, WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY. STAFF, UM, MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BRING A REPORT TO THE COMMISSION AS SOON AS DECEMBER REGARDING, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE IN EARLY 2026. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. CORRECT. YEAH. SO, UH, THE WAY I'M SEEING IT IS, UM, HAVE DISCUSSION, HAVE IT A, A, A, A MATTER TO DISCUSS ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER. UM, UH, LIKE TO HAVE A, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE TO DISCUSS IT. UM, AND THEN IN EARLY 2026, WE CAN HAVE A STAFF REPORT ON THE FIVE AND THEN REVIEW AND HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW THAT WITHOUT BEING IN, YOU KNOW, FORMAL MEETINGS MM-HMM . AND THEN WE COULD BRING IT TO THE, UM, THE FORMAL COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BY OUR, MAYBE OUR SECOND MEETING AND SAY IF IT'S IN JAN, IF WE HAVE ONE IN JANUARY, BE FEBRUARY, BE MARCH, UM, WE COULD MAYBE THEN HAVE A REPORT. I GUESS THE REPORT COULD THEN COME IN MARCH. WE COULD REVIEW IT, OR I, I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. WE, WE CAN, WE CAN START BY PUTTING SOMETHING UNDER MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE DECEMBER AGENDA TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED. STARTED. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OH, SO COMPLICATED. . SORRY FOR ALL THE BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S OKAY. UM, OKAY. UM, WAS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ITEM? DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ON? WE DO. YEP. YEP. YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6.2. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 6.2 AND I'LL, UH, SECOND THAT. THEN I THINK WE NEED A ROLL CALL. VOTE. COMMISSIONER PAN, UH, APPROVE COMMISSIONER, BODY APPROVED VICE CHAIRPERSON. HANNON APPROVED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY, COMMISSIONER MA, ITEM NUMBER SEVEN [7. COMMISSION REPORTS AND MATTERS INITIATED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, STAFF, AND CITY HISTORIAN.] MATTERS TO INITIATE. DOES STAFF OR THE COMMISSION HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD HERE? UM, I THINK AS IT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, BEFORE, [00:25:01] I'D LIKE TO, UM, UH, KIND OF, UM, INITIATE A MATTER TO BRING FORTH IN OUR DECEMBER MEETING, UH, AN ITEM TO CONSIDER, UH, CREATING A, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE TO, UM, REVIEW THE STAFF REPORT, UM, AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUTURE, UM, HPC MEETING TO VOTE ON ONE, ONE OF THE FIVE, UH, BUILDINGS IN ITEM 6.2 TO MOVE FORWARD TO A, A FULL VOTE, UH, BY THE HPC IN 2026. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND. DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT OR CAN THAT JUST BE, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON A MATTERS INITIATED, DO WE? WE, I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT'S MY MATTERS TO INITIATE. UM, I I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. UM, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT OUR PREVIOUS WORK PLANS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. I KNOW THE ONE I WAS INVOLVED WITH COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR. UM, AND THEN THIS ONE I THINK WAS ONE OF THE SECOND ONES. UM, I BELIEVE WE HAD A LIST FROM MAYBE A YEAR AGO OR POSSIBLY A LITTLE LONGER, UH, OF MULTIPLE ITEMS. AND WE CHOSE THOSE TWO TO START WITH, UH, COULD STAFF BRING THAT LIST BACK TO US IN DECEMBER TO CONSIDER AS A BOARD TO POTENTIALLY PICK BEYOND JUST THIS ONE ITEM? UM, OR JUST BEYOND JUST THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, CALIFORNIA HISTORIC RESOURCES, UM, AND THE HISTORIC SIGNIFICANT, OR THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES TO PUT ONE IN AN, IN A, TO SELECT AN ADDITIONAL WORK PLAN ITEM FOR THE, FOR THE REST OF THE, UH, COMMISSION. I DON'T RECALL WHAT THOSE, WHAT THAT LIST WAS. 'CAUSE I, BUT I KNOW WE PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF A NUMBER OF ITEMS. SURE. SO STAFF CAN ADD, UM, AN ITEM ON MATTERS FOR CONSIDERATION, RECOMMENDING THE COMMISSION DISCUSS NEW PROJECTS TO ADD TO THE WORK PLAN. AND UNDER THIS ITEM, THE CURRENT WORK PLAN IN ITS UPDATED FORM CAN BE ATTACHED. OKAY. THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW. YEAH. YEAH. SOUNDS GREAT. YEAH, THAT'LL GIVE US SOMETHING, UM, TO POTENTIALLY CHOOSE FROM. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE, WE BRAINSTORMED SEVERAL ITEMS IN, UH, ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS FROM LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR SOMETHING. MM-HMM . SO, UH, I KNOW WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT ITEMS AND WE CHOSE THE TWO THAT WE WORKED ON. SO IT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO START. AND THEN WE COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER, THINK OF ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT MIGHT, UM, AND IT COULD STAFF, UM, FOR THOSE THAT, THAT WEREN'T HERE. AND OF COURSE, I, I MAY HAVE THE, UM, I MAY HAVE THAT LIST SAVED, BUT COULD STAFF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD EMAIL US THAT, UM, THAT WORK PLAN OR, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE, THOSE LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE CHOSE FROM POTENTIALLY SO THAT WE COULD ALL CONSIDER THEM, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND OUR NEXT MEETING. SURE. YEAH. THE, THE UPDATED WORK PLAN IS A, IS A PUBLIC RECORD, SO, OH, PERFECT. OKAY. GREAT. YEAH, IF, IF YOU COULD EMAIL THAT TO THE THREE OF US AND THEN POTENTIALLY, UH, WHEN THE NEW MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED, UH, PROVIDE THAT TO THEM SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A HEAD START KNOWING WHAT WE MAY BE DISCUSSING IN OUR FIRST MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. GREAT. SOUNDS GOOD. DO WE NEED TO, OR ITEMS TO INITIATE I, OR DID STAFF HAVE ANY STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS TO, UM, THAT WOULD BE ADJOURNMENT WOULD BE THE NEXT, I THINK, DIDN'T STAFF, UH, WANNA MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT YOU'RE MOVING ON, AREN'T YOU? OH, THANK YOU, . I WAS GONNA SAVE MY, MY SPEECH FOR DECEMBER, BUT, BUT, UH, OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I, I, I WASN'T SURE IF YOU, THIS WAS YOUR LAST MEETING OR DECEMBER WAS YOUR LAST MEETING. OH, DECEMBER WILL BE MY LAST MEETING. OH, OKAY. NEVERMIND THEN. BUT I, I SHOULD, I SHOULD, UH, UH, INTRODUCE, UH, EMILY LADU, UM, IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. WHO, WHO WILL BE, UH, TAKING OVER THE HPC LIAISON ROLE. OKAY. SO EMILY'S GONNA BE HERE, UH, AT, AT THE DECEMBER MEETING AS WELL. OKAY. SHADOWING. AND, UM, SO, YEP. I, I, I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE EMILY TONIGHT. , THAT WOULD BE GREAT ACTUALLY. , THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU, . I'M VERY EXCITED. GREAT. YEAH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE WON'T BE SEEING YOU AS OFTEN 'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE. BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU BIMONTHLY. MM-HMM . BIMONTHLY. MM-HMM . I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT I READ. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, [00:30:02] WAS THAT IT? ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF OR ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BOARD HERE? WE GOOD? I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. NO. EXCEPT FOR ITEM EIGHT, WHICH IS ITEM EIGHT. TREATMENT. ITEM EIGHT. THEN ADJOURN THE MEETING AT THE TIME. IS IT SEVEN 30? WE SHOULD DO A MOTION. OH, MOTION TO, OH, DO WE HAVE TO DO AN MOTION? UH, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE FOR THAT. RIGHT? UH, I HAVE FOR BEST THE LAST HC MEDIA AND SO REALLY? OKAY. SURE. SO, UH, MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL. UM, COMMISSIONER PAN. AGREED. UH, VICE CHAIRPERSON. HANNON. UH, I AGREE TO, UH, COMMISSIONER NASBA. AGREE. THANK YOU. WE DONE AND WE'RE HEREBY ADJOURNED. YES. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.